2025/26 David Moyes

[Efcjake]

I do love how many posters have taken on this self-appointed role of explaining what the Friedkin's expectations are to the rest of us who aren't privy to their inner thoughts.

Theres a gaggle of Friedkin experts in this thread eager to tell us what the Friedkin's will or won't accept and it all comes across as their own fantasy.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I don't know what we've seen from the Friedkin's that could lead anyone to make any conclusions on this.

Can you point to anything from the Friedkin's involvement with Everton that suggest they won't allow anyone to "rest on their laurels"?

Have I missed something?

They've hardly even given one interview and the one manager they've sacked came to them saying he couldn't do the job and asked for the severance.

Reading the rest of your post you say an awful lot about what the Friedkin's will think and do and quite frankly it comes across as pulled out of your backside. When have they said or indicated any of these expectations you're assigning to them?

Built a billion dollar business

Played chicken with Moshiri and 777 and forced them into a deal on the Friedkins terms for the club

Turfed out every old board member at Everton almost immediately on arrival (except for Chong who actually did a good job)

Ditched Thelwell. Overturned the ‘football people’ at Everton that suggested Potter instead of Moyes.

Offered low ball contracts to players who were in their final years even though Young Doucoure Calvert Lewin all wanted to stay.

Sunk the fifth highest net spend in the league and one of the biggest in Everton’s history into the summer window.

The CEO has come out in interviews and said top half and cup run this season as a start.

Meanwhile at Roma they fired a club legend after a handful of games and appointed Gasperini.



Do these seem the actions of a group of people who will be content with finishing in the bottom half this season to the point of extending the managers contract in the summer?

Kinnear came out and said it himself for those who didn’t hear it. Top half, cup run.

 

[davek]

Built a billion dollar business

Played chicken with Moshiri and 777 and forced them into a deal on the Friedkins terms for the club

Turfed out every old board member at Everton almost immediately on arrival (except for Chong who actually did a good job)

Ditched Thelwell. Overturned the ‘football people’ at Everton that suggested Potter instead of Moyes.

Offered low ball contracts to players who were in their final years even though Young Doucoure Calvert Lewin all wanted to stay.

Sunk the fifth highest net spend in the league and one of the biggest in Everton’s history into the summer window.

The CEO has come out in interviews and said top half and cup run this season as a start.

Meanwhile at Roma they fired a club legend after a handful of games and appointed Gasperini.



Do these seem the actions of a group of people who will be content with finishing in the bottom half this season to the point of extending the managers contract in the summer?

Kinnear came out and said it himself for those who didn’t hear it. Top half, cup run.

Pretty comprehensive answer @Efcjake

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Friedkins care about making money, that’s it. If it takes investment they will do so, but that only goes so far. It’s not a blank cheque book.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Friedkins care about making money, that’s it. If it takes investment they will do so, but that only goes so far. It’s not a blank cheque book.

They make money by the value of Everton increasing through European participation and increased sponsorship deals that come with higher league placing and trophy wins. If they wanted to finish 12th they wouldn’t have given us over 100 mill last summer surely?

 

[Roger Milla]

Very creative contorting of reality this one, actually impressed.

By contorting, you must mean describing what happened?

 

[MikeH72]

By contorting, you must mean describing what happened?

Yes, while leaving out every single piece of context.

 

[jceverton]

I forgot Aznou even existed.

So has Moyes

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

They make money by the value of Everton increasing through European participation and increased sponsorship deals that come with higher league placing and trophy wins. If they wanted to finish 12th they wouldn’t have given us over 100 mill last summer surely?

Only up to a point. And by that logic the league cup is not worth the effort.

Basically it will all come down to the value of the squad, how it ranks comparatively, whether the team is meeting its targets, etc.

If they can make more money or similar with less risk they will do that, however that shapes up.

 

[Efcjake]

Built a billion dollar business

Played chicken with Moshiri and 777 and forced them into a deal on the Friedkins terms for the club

Turfed out every old board member at Everton almost immediately on arrival (except for Chong who actually did a good job)

Ditched Thelwell. Overturned the ‘football people’ at Everton that suggested Potter instead of Moyes.

Offered low ball contracts to players who were in their final years even though Young Doucoure Calvert Lewin all wanted to stay.

Sunk the fifth highest net spend in the league and one of the biggest in Everton’s history into the summer window.

The CEO has come out in interviews and said top half and cup run this season as a start.

Meanwhile at Roma they fired a club legend after a handful of games and appointed Gasperini.



Do these seem the actions of a group of people who will be content with finishing in the bottom half this season to the point of extending the managers contract in the summer?

Kinnear came out and said it himself for those who didn’t hear it. Top half, cup run.

So it's just speculation and absolutely nothing from the Friedkin's themselves?

Ta

 

[Bedfordblue]

Nah, we simply wouldn't meet his demands.

Right up until March he was talking up wanting to stay [here, "who wouldn't want to be part of that?"] - the most credible reports on the club confirmed we wouldn't meet it. If we paid it, he'd still be an Everton player.

He was always going to get a good wage as a free agent.

We made a choice, one the vast majority of Everton fans agreed with. To start saying now that Moyes lost Calvert-Lewin/didn't have a choice isn't correct IMO.

Still early days, in time it could be shown that signing Barry was the better choice.

I agree it was out of Moyes hands but I meant im not convinced he got the mega contract he was rumoured to be after.
The usual sites are reporting him as on £100/w which is pretty much what he got here. I guess maybe Leeds have given him a few mill as signing on fee, but he’s only signed for 3y iirc so I’d be surprised if they ponied up much more than £5m (£32k /week).
Personally I think getting boo’d when he broke his cheek was likely the final straw and his mind was made up despite what he was saying in interviews.
Can’t say I blame him either tbh, he certainly contributed more than the series of wage thieves he saw come, contribute very little and then go during his time here.

 

[Saint Domingo]

So it's just speculation and absolutely nothing from the Friedkin's themselves?

Ta

The CEO appointed by the Freidkins outlining the target for this season in a public interview is ‘speculation and absolutely nothing’?

Ok

 

[Efcjake]

Pretty comprehensive answer @Efcjake

Except for the fact that it's just blatant guesswork and a list of irrelevant points.

Built a billion dollar business

Played chicken with Moshiri and 777 and forced them into a deal on the Friedkins terms for the club

What does that have to do with resting on laurels?

Turfed out every old board member at Everton almost immediately on arrival (except for Chong who actually did a good job)

Which is standard for nearly every big company acquisition and not surprising or indicative of anything either.

Ditched Thelwell. Overturned the ‘football people’ at Everton that suggested Potter instead of Moyes.

His contract expired and Moyes prefers not to work with a DoF.

Any indication he was sacked for poor performance?

Offered low ball contracts to players who were in their final years even though Young Doucoure Calvert Lewin all wanted to stay.

I don't think we offered anything to young and you don't have a Scooby Doo what offer was made to DCL. That's out your backside.

Sunk the fifth highest net spend in the league and one of the biggest in Everton’s history into the summer window.

At a time when the team had been devoid of investment for 7 years and needed that level of investment to replace 9 departing players.

Nothing about that spend in and of itself says anything about holding people accountable for resting on their laurels.

The CEO has come out in interviews and said top half and cup run this season as a start.

This is probably the only valid one in the list.

Meanwhile at Roma they fired a club legend after a handful of games and appointed Gasperini.

This is Everton not Roma. Apples and Oranges. We are not the same at all.

Do these seem the actions of a group of people who will be content with finishing in the bottom half this season to the point of extending the managers contract in the summer?

Kinnear came out and said it himself for those who didn’t hear it. Top half, cup run.

So "resting on laurels" means finishing bottom half?

Great should be easy to find a quote saying we're sacking Davey if he doesn't get top half.

Because that's what you're pretending has been established when it very much so hasn't.

 

[Efcjake]

The CEO appointed by the Freidkins outlining the target for this season in a public interview is ‘speculation and absolutely nothing’?

Ok

Yes pal, that's the only point you've got to fall back on.

Show me where he says we're sacking Moyes if he doesn't get top half.

You're operating on assumptions because you want it to be true.

Nobody from the Friedkin's has said anything like there's a minimum expectation or we are sacking everyone. You've just pulled it out of your arse

 

[Saint Domingo]

Except for the fact that it's just blatant guesswork and a list of irrelevant points.


What does that have to do with resting on laurels?



Which is standard for nearly every big company acquisition and not surprising or indicative of anything either.



His contract expired and Moyes prefers not to work with a DoF.

Any indication he was sacked for poor performance?



I don't think we offered anything to young and you don't have a Scooby Doo what offer was made to DCL. That's out your backside.



At a time when the team had been devoid of investment for 7 years and needed that level of investment to replace 9 departing players.

Nothing about that spend in and of itself says anything about holding people accountable for resting on their laurels.



This is probably the only valid one in the list.




This is Everton not Roma. Apples and Oranges. We are not the same at all.




So "resting on laurels" means finishing bottom half?

Great should be easy to find a quote saying we're sacking Davey if he doesn't get top half.

Because that's what you're pretending has been established when it very much so hasn't.

The proof will be in the pudding. If you think these billionaires are going to renew the managers contract if he finishes in the bottom half without a meaningful cup run because they’ve not publicly come out and told you otherwise then you can cling to that.

You’re living in the Kenwright era