2025/26 David Moyes

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

He will be managing at the World Cup. Have you heard of it?

Yep, we've won one of them.

How many have you and Canada won between you?

 

[Vaughan]

One reason might be the poor run we were on just a few weeks ago that ended with a pathetic show in a 0-3 defeat at home to a not so great Spurs team. We have managed a couple of wins in a row but we know that this team can just as easily step back and start dropping points against poor sides and get knocked out of the cup by a team we should be beating.

In reality it wasn’t pathetic though. We had the ball in the net twice, forced some top class saves from vicario, were on top and playing the better football for most of the game, and were right in it until the stinger at the end to make it 3

We had a poor run with 1 win in 7 but I think what fans have failed to acknowledge is just how competitive the league is, just how athletic each team is and how little room for error you have. If we win our next two we’ll likely be in top 4 or 5, if we lose next two we’ll likely be 15th , there are such fine margins this year and most of the teams are only separated by a moment of quality or mistake

 

[Zatara]

The patient/slow approach to me is what you're suggesting. You want us to be a selling club, that has players for a couple of seasons before moving them on to a CL club.

This may be a good strategy for clubs like Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth but we are not them. These are all tinpot clubs, who are over achieving without ever actually achieving anything meaningful. They've hit the ceiling of what they can do and we are aiming higher than that.

We're a bigger club, with better infrastructure, bigger financial backing. Everton fans with any common sense should have higher aspirations than functioning as a feeder club for the sky 6. We have a decent January and a strong summer window and we absolutely leapfrog those clubs next season, as we should.

Due to PSR it is impossible to not be a selling club. At least until and unless your saled have funded a top class squad.

Based off what exactly? So far to me TFG have shown themselves to be more than willing put significant amounts of money into the club.

I don't agree at all that we are closer to Brentford and Bournemouth than we are to the big clubs. You may be looking in envy at Iraola and a couple Bournemouth players, but we are absolutely on a different planet to those clubs in terms of the backing we already have, fan base, commercial potential and ability to generate income.

I don't think it's unrealistic at all to suggest that we be able to hold on to our best players, while also bringing new players in to improve the squad around them. For example in summer, we need to make good signings of course. We also need to hold on to Ndiaye. Doing one of these things and not the other would not be good enough imo.

You sound like someone who is vastly underestimating the size and potential of the club.

Bournemouth sold a bunch of players last summer and rebuilt relatively seamlessly.

If we signed a group of young defenders and then sold them all on after 1-2 years for a substantial profit then this would the allow the club funds using PSR model to re-invest.

PSR is now changing though so lets see.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Due to PSR it is impossible to not be a selling club. At least until and unless your saled have funded a top class squad.



Bournemouth sold a bunch of players last summer and rebuilt relatively seamlessly.

If we signed a group of young defenders and then sold them all on after 1-2 years for a substantial profit then this would the allow the club funds using PSR model to re-invest.

PSR is now changing though so lets see.

The problem with the model for Everton is that fans are all for it until it comes to selling their best players and then they’re not. Imagine we’d sold Ndiaye this summer, 40 mill to Milan thanks very much, Branthwaite too, yeah Pickford as well, then reinvested the money in a young winger, keeper and young centre back all of whom joined with the understanding they’d get a move in a season or two if they were any good and we wouldn’t stand in their way. This sort of stuff is met with a shrug of the shoulders by fans of Bournemouth and Brighton, there’d be absolute murder if we did that.

Every club buys and sells players of course, but if your model is based on the quick turnover of players e.g players joining the club with the specific purpose of then moving a season or two later to a bigger club with that understanding shared with the player and club, then you are enshrining yourself as a mid table feeder club.

 

[Rita_Poon]

One reason might be the poor run we were on just a few weeks ago that ended with a pathetic show in a 0-3 defeat at home to a not so great Spurs team. We have managed a couple of wins in a row but we know that this team can just as easily step back and start dropping points against poor sides and get knocked out of the cup by a team we should be beating.

spurs in the best away form of their entire history? That not so great spurs?

 

[mikel_88]

Is another good test for moyes and the team now in the next 3 fixtures with gana out. Against teams near us that we could get a result in that would show what ambition we have newcastle (h) bournemouth (a) forest (h). Will be a time moyes will have to use the squad more

 

[degsy]

Is another good test for moyes and the team now in the

next 3 fixtures with gana out.

you mean you dont think it will get reviewed down to 1 as it should in a sensible world...oh wait

Against teams near us that we could get a result in that would show what ambition we have newcastle (h) bournemouth (a) forest (h). Will be a time moyes will have to use the squad more

 

[Zatara]

The problem with the model for Everton is that fans are all for it until it comes to selling their best players and then they’re not. Imagine we’d sold Ndiaye this summer, 40 mill to Milan thanks very much, Branthwaite too, yeah Pickford as well, then reinvested the money in a young winger, keeper and young centre back all of whom joined with the understanding they’d get a move in a season or two if they were any good and we wouldn’t stand in their way. This sort of stuff is met with a shrug of the shoulders by fans of Bournemouth and Brighton, there’d be absolute murder if we did that.

Every club buys and sells players of course, but if your model is based on the quick turnover of players e.g players joining the club with the specific purpose of then moving a season or two later to a bigger club with that understanding shared with the player and club, then you are enshrining yourself as a mid table feeder club.

Its a fine line isnt it?

I imagine this is why we werent able to bring in certain players like Fofana and Bakayoko in the summer. Because this would not be the policy of the ownership and senior management.

I think we need to either have a way to spend big money from the owners, or to self generate - Stadium, commercial deals and transfers.

Alot could change with the different model now and it may be better than PSR.

I think we need to have 5 or 6 top players as the nucleus of the 11 and then be looking at others as players we could potentially cash in on and recycle the funds into new signings.

Obviously the likes of Aznou, Dibling and Armstrong could come through and set the team on fire then we could look to move on existing players to invest.

Who knows...

 

[preposterousvelios]

Due to PSR it is impossible to not be a selling club. At least until and unless your saled have funded a top class squad.



Bournemouth sold a bunch of players last summer and rebuilt relatively seamlessly.

If we signed a group of young defenders and then sold them all on after 1-2 years for a substantial profit then this would the allow the club funds using PSR model to re-invest.

PSR is now changing though so lets see.

I agree that you continue to sell players until you have a top level squad, but it's about who you're selling. I would be happy to see us sell Mykolenko, McNeil, Beto. But we all know the players we will be getting offers for in summer are Ndiaye and Branthwaite, maybe Garner - players we want to keep.

We don't need to sell those players to reinvest. We have all of the things in place that clubs like Bournemouth don't have. We have significant financial backing from TFG, increasingly strong commercial deals and a new stadium thats opened the door to us being able to massively increase revenue and therefore allow more spending. As far as I can tell the new financial system that comes in next season suits us more than PSR and will allow us to spend without it being sell to buy.

We're not in the same boat as Bournemouth. In summer they sold Huijsen, Zabarnyi and Kerkez, all of their best players last season. They may have done a good job of rebuilding that defence, but ultimately they are treading water more than they are significantly improving.

We can do better than that. If we sell Ndiaye in summer for example i will be so unbelievably disappointed. We actually are not far at all from having a really competitive first 11, keeping hold of our best players should be our top priority. Sell the players who aren't good enough and replace them with players who are good enough, or young players with high potential. Simple as that imo.

 

[Zatara]

I agree that you continue to sell players until you have a top level squad, but it's about who you're selling. I would be happy to see us sell Mykolenko, McNeil, Beto. But we all know the players we will be getting offers for in summer are Ndiaye and Branthwaite, maybe Garner - players we want to keep.

We don't need to sell those players to reinvest. We have all of the things in place that clubs like Bournemouth don't have. We have significant financial backing from TFG, increasingly strong commercial deals and a new stadium thats opened the door to us being able to massively increase revenue and therefore allow more spending. As far as I can tell the new financial system that comes in next season suits us more than PSR and will allow us to spend without it being sell to buy.

We're not in the same boat as Bournemouth. In summer they sold Huijsen, Zabarnyi and Kerkez, all of their best players last season. They may have done a good job of rebuilding that defence, but ultimately they are treading water more than they are significantly improving.

We can do better than that. If we sell Ndiaye in summer for example i will be so unbelievably disappointed. We actually are not far at all from having a really competitive first 11, keeping hold of our best players should be our top priority. Sell the players who aren't good enough and replace them with players who are good enough, or young players with high potential. Simple as that imo.

Its going to be interesting with the new rules, i havent looked into them yet.

I posted above a couple of things, namely;

If we had a core of 5 or 6 top players then we can recycle the others out to bring new players in.

Also that Aznou, Dibling and Armstrong to name just 3 players could push their way in and lead to senior players being moved on.

Not so sure on TFG as yet in terms of whether they are actually going to be allowed to spend. With Rohl and Grealish we'll have spent around £150mil last summer. I think there will need to be some sales to balance out on the current PSR a bit.

We need young players to replace Mykolenko, McNeil and Gana for example and then Beto to be sold off with money reinvested.

 

[preposterousvelios]

Its going to be interesting with the new rules, i havent looked into them yet.

I posted above a couple of things, namely;

If we had a core of 5 or 6 top players then we can recycle the others out to bring new players in.

Also that Aznou, Dibling and Armstrong to name just 3 players could push their way in and lead to senior players being moved on.

Not so sure on TFG as yet in terms of whether they are actually going to be allowed to spend. With Rohl and Grealish we'll have spent around £150mil last summer. I think there will need to be some sales to balance out on the current PSR a bit.

We need young players to replace Mykolenko, McNeil and Gana for example and then Beto to be sold off with money reinvested.

As far as I can tell the SCR system is preferable to us in comparison to PSR. TFG have already done a lot to increase our revenue, while we're probably spending a fair bit less on wages atm than we were for most of the last 10 years. Unless I'm missing something it should have us in a good position to be able continue spending without needing to make sales.

That's not to say we shouldn't be selling players. Myko, Beto, McNeil, Patterson, Gueye, Keane, Tarkwoski, Coleman could all be moved on and replaced with better or younger players. As you say players like Aznou, Armstrong, Dibling can step up and replace more senior players - but if that's happening it shouldn't be to replace our top players. Armstrong should be coming in to replace Gana, not Garner. Dibling should be coming in to replace McNeil, not Ndiaye.

Positioning yourself as a club like Bournemouth, Brighton etc means limiting yourself to being a stopgap for really good players. We should be aiming higher than that imo. We have more to offer these players than those clubs do.

 

[Rita_Poon]

As far as I can tell the SCR system is preferable to us in comparison to PSR. TFG have already done a lot to increase our revenue, while we're probably spending a fair bit less on wages atm than we were for most of the last 10 years. Unless I'm missing something it should have us in a good position to be able continue spending without needing to make sales.

That's not to say we shouldn't be selling players. Myko, Beto, McNeil, Patterson, Gueye, Keane, Tarkwoski, Coleman could all be moved on and replaced with better or younger players. As you say players like Aznou, Armstrong, Dibling can step up and replace more senior players - but if that's happening it shouldn't be to replace our top players. Armstrong should be coming in to replace Gana, not Garner. Dibling should be coming in to replace McNeil, not Ndiaye.

Positioning yourself as a club like Bournemouth, Brighton etc means limiting yourself to being a stopgap for really good players. We should be aiming higher than that imo. We have more to offer these players than those clubs do.

Didn't Tarkowski sign a two year extension recently? JB and JO'B seem to be our long term CB pair, so with Aznou in, it's the RB issue that persists. Sounds like Moyes was close to swapping Patterson but it fell through. Speculating about the squad, I hope N'Diaye isn't a make weight that nabs us Grealish next summer. Beto is last chance saloon, either come good or have to cash him in. I also see McNeil as a utility player that Moyes will want to keep.
For RB and with the old FM Napoleon hat on, that Moroccan international that was leading the scoring charts in the Belgian league earlier in the season looks a bit capable.

 

[when i score we riot]

Dont you dare lay a finger on my dear Vitaliy. He is mine and i love him very very much and he is very cute in his full blue kit and socks with the back leggings all torn up

 

[Zatara]

As far as I can tell the SCR system is preferable to us in comparison to PSR. TFG have already done a lot to increase our revenue, while we're probably spending a fair bit less on wages atm than we were for most of the last 10 years. Unless I'm missing something it should have us in a good position to be able continue spending without needing to make sales.

That's not to say we shouldn't be selling players. Myko, Beto, McNeil, Patterson, Gueye, Keane, Tarkwoski, Coleman could all be moved on and replaced with better or younger players. As you say players like Aznou, Armstrong, Dibling can step up and replace more senior players - but if that's happening it shouldn't be to replace our top players. Armstrong should be coming in to replace Gana, not Garner. Dibling should be coming in to replace McNeil, not Ndiaye.

Positioning yourself as a club like Bournemouth, Brighton etc means limiting yourself to being a stopgap for really good players. We should be aiming higher than that imo. We have more to offer these players than those clubs do.

Yes we could have:
Aznou / Mykolenko
Armstrong / Gana
Dibling / McNeil

Improving the squad at least and then superior bench options. Until then replacing the 3 and pushing into the 11.

The interesting ones with Moyes I think will be CB & RB. Obviously a pairing of Keane & Tarkowski isnt going to be ideal unless we want to sit deep, the same goes for having O'Brien at RB.

Will Moyes stick with those 3 for another season? I think he likes Tarkowski (having bid for him several times when he was at West Ham) and O'Brien.

Also Keane he will think after this season so far would at least be worth another year.

You add in Branthwaite to those 3 and i think those will be the CB options for next season.

Imperative we bring in both a starting RB but also a younger player to develop behind them.

We wouldnt be too far off then and would need young development signings or top notch players to improve what we would have.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Its a fine line isnt it?

I imagine this is why we werent able to bring in certain players like Fofana and Bakayoko in the summer. Because this would not be the policy of the ownership and senior management.

I think we need to either have a way to spend big money from the owners, or to self generate - Stadium, commercial deals and transfers.

Alot could change with the different model now and it may be better than PSR.

I think we need to have 5 or 6 top players as the nucleus of the 11 and then be looking at others as players we could potentially cash in on and recycle the funds into new signings.

Obviously the likes of Aznou, Dibling and Armstrong could come through and set the team on fire then we could look to move on existing players to invest.

Who knows...

I think we’ve been on the right side of the model in some cases. Players like Lescott Rodwell Lukaku Gueye Stones Richarlison we got good service from them and sold at probably the top of their value for us after a good few years playing for us.

There’s been others like Rooney Gordon Onana we’ve had to sell earlier than we’d have liked to for financial reasons.

There’s been players like Baines Coleman Cahill Jagielka Pickford that we could have sold for huge profit but we kept hold of and they’ve become as close to modern Everton legends as you can get without winning anything.

The main issue has been buying the likes of Schneiderlin, Siggurdson, Bolasie, Tosun, Klaasen, Keane, Gomes, Mina etc. who arrived at the peak of their value then either got injured or couldn’t be shifted and stayed way too long.

What I rail against is when a player is bought with the express purpose of flipping in a year or two. You’re watching them knowing that they don’t see themselves at your club in 12 or 24 months and your club is absolutely fine with that. That for me is just becoming a finishing school or feeder club for someone else. Brighton and Bournemouth may as well effectively be Chelsea and Liverpool B team.