2025/26 David Moyes

[degsy]

Altar? blah blah blah. I've not seen any posts that sound like that. Maybe some that council caution. Striving to be better can take time. I can remember clearly a time when the fan base were calling for the head of Howard Kendall.
How Howard Kendall saved his job at Everton and won the FA Cup in 1984 | Everton | The Guardian https://share.google/FzNHt6Ctas0VkmFet
"Just a week before the club faced a tricky FA Cup third round tie at Stoke City, just 13,659 fans turned up to watch an abysmal 0-0 draw against Coventry at Goodison Park, with protest leaflets handed out by fans spelling out their feelings towards the chairman and manager: “Kendall and Carter must go. 26,000 stay-away fans can’t be wrong.” Everton were 16th in the league and apparently going nowhere. Defeat at Stoke or Oxford in the forthcoming FA Cup and Milk Cup ties did not bear thinking about for Kendall."

All true - as far as it goes, but that was then.
Past performance is no guarantee of future performance.

Go a little bit further in that time line to the start of the season 84-85, turned out nice again, glory all around.
But wait, iirc, We lost our first 2 league games!

So by your logic above Every Time we lose our first 2 league games - we must win the League?...if only it were so.

No, because that was then and this is now
Past performance etc, etc.

 

[NathDogg]

Altar? blah blah blah. I've not seen any posts that sound like that. Maybe some that council caution. Striving to be better can take time. I can remember clearly a time when the fan base were calling for the head of Howard Kendall.
How Howard Kendall saved his job at Everton and won the FA Cup in 1984 | Everton | The Guardian https://share.google/FzNHt6Ctas0VkmFet
"Just a week before the club faced a tricky FA Cup third round tie at Stoke City, just 13,659 fans turned up to watch an abysmal 0-0 draw against Coventry at Goodison Park, with protest leaflets handed out by fans spelling out their feelings towards the chairman and manager: “Kendall and Carter must go. 26,000 stay-away fans can’t be wrong.” Everton were 16th in the league and apparently going nowhere. Defeat at Stoke or Oxford in the forthcoming FA Cup and Milk Cup ties did not bear thinking about for Kendall."

HK was afraid of nothing, on or off a football pitch, and firmly believed we were the greatest football club in the world, even when we struggled under him. He always seemed to have a plan.

Our current manager is terrified of the mere thought of the champions league and is delighted at making you the numbers. I don’t see any plan with Davey bores.

They will never be the same or comparable.

 

[davids]

DM is no HK - yes he was a gamble - young inexperienced not a has been already sacked 3 times .. comparing Apples with Pears there - HK = the most successful manager in our History - he also did it with early on without any big cash -

DM has achieved all that he can done a great job in his 1st season - maybe your right , but I feel his football is so boring dire to watch - & time for a change now not in October when IMO its just too late ....& even more dangerous to change then ....
Only time will tell if I am wrong I will apologise .....

I was only quoting the Howard Kendall case to highlight how fickle Evertonians can be,I remember as if it was yesterday being given one of the Kendall out leaflets on my way into the ground. No I'm not happy with the football I'm seeing but for me it's the players on the pitch.In the run in of poor results you can point at individual mistake after mistake that lost us points. No way does any manager coach not shutting down into players or not to track runners. Basic football skills all players should have. Thread after thread has been made about a new manager without taking into account how poor our squad really is. A young progressive coach who could change the direction of the club using players like Tarkowski Keane Mykolenko Barry Beto with maybe at best 100 million to spend to replace them. Good luck with that one.

 

[davids]

All true - as far as it goes, but that was then.
Past performance is no guarantee of future performance.

Go a little bit further in that time line to the start of the season 84-85, turned out nice again, glory all around.
But wait, iirc, We lost our first 2 league games!

So by your logic above Every Time we lose our first 2 league games - we must win the League?...if only it were so.

No, because that was then and this is now
Past performance etc, etc.

HK was afraid of nothing, on or off a football pitch, and firmly believed we were the greatest football club in the world, even when we struggled under him. He always seemed to have a plan.

Our current manager is terrified of the mere thought of the champions league and is delighted at making you the numbers. I don’t see any plan with Davey bores.

They will never be the same or comparable.

And yet he got us into the CL.So was that the only season he was positive?
And then this:
To lose on penalties was so undeserved
Everton faithful
It was desperately cruel on Everton after they made light of the two-goal first-leg deficit with a vibrant performance that threatened to sweep Fiorentina aside, creating chance after chance.


Everton were without Tim Cahill, sidelined by a foot injury, but it did not stop David Moyes's side going on all-out attack against the high-flying Italians.

 

[davids]

Howard Kendall had credit in the bank as a true EFC great that rightly bought him enough time to turn it around. Howard also had a clear ambition to knock the filth off their perch, senor cardigan and comfy slippers is happy to thread water, all the while drawing a ridiculous wage

The "credit in the bank" was one game away from running out.

 

[davids]

I was at all those games and fully agreed with the protesters at the time we were dire and something needed to be done.
But the lads behind the protests were genuine Evertonians going the game not part of the 26000 no longer going.
I wrote to Kendall at the time imploring him to get the chairman to back him as if he didn't he would sack him. I did get a reply which I wish had kept as it was a genuine letter from. A top blue.
The thing is these are different times , Moyes is a stop gap manager and is never going to take us where we want to be.
What happened in the 80s was an incredible turn of events but we can't be scared of having ambition now because of what happened in the past.
Sticking with Moyes would be a massive mistake.

Football has changed so much since then. Backing from the owners isn't enough. Premier League spending rules control the situation. We just have to be realistic,that boat has sailed for us. No manager would get the financial backing that would turn around this average squad in one or two transfer windows.

 

[Bluebonic]

Football has changed so much since then. Backing from the owners isn't enough. Premier League spending rules control the situation. We just have to be realistic,that boat has sailed for us. No manager would get the financial backing that would turn around this average squad in one or two transfer windows.

The thing is though mate, could they get us playing more attractive football? Not flowing, prime pep stuff, but football that inspires excitement and passion. Because for the whole of last season I saw that about twice. Now it could rightly be that is is down to the players not translating Moyes coaching onto the pitch. But if that is the case then it begs two questions, why isnt Moyes raging on the touchline all the time and why does he persevere with the same players if they are ignoring him?

I would prefer a new manager, and if it is true as you say, that a new manager cant get this team functioning with an outlay of £100M, what makes you think Moyes could? They have either downed tools on him, or he no longer has the fire in his belly, either way it doesn't bode well for next season.

 

[Charles Plastusz]

The "credit in the bank" was one game away from running out

Ok I’ll humour you, let’s pretend there’s parallels to be drawn here, Kendall MK 1: Club Legend. Highly ambitious. All the energy in the world to take on a huge task as a relatively young man.
Moyes MK 2: Undoubtedly improved things the first maybe 2/3rds of his first spell, self preservation/promotion and boring approach had started to grate on a decent amount of the fan base long before the end, an end that certainly tainted him in the eyes of many. Ambitious? Hard to make a case for Moyes surely, i think a run at his beloved conference league would have him reaching for the top shelf deluxe Hobnobs and happily riding off in to the suns…….shade. Final point, ENERGY, a blind man can see that a lot of the light has dimmed in Moyes, don’t forget we fired older, worn down versions of Howard that clearly couldn’t advance us as well. Everton must always come first

 

[ValBlue]

Football has changed so much since then. Backing from the owners isn't enough. Premier League spending rules control the situation. We just have to be realistic,that boat has sailed for us. No manager would get the financial backing that would turn around this average squad in one or two transfer windows.

Sunderland did, Bournemouth sold their entire backline and effectively did

The constant excuses made to try and paint Everton as this tiny club whose only hope is years and years of slow slow ‘progress’ under a fossil is ridiculous now

If Moyes stays, he’ll have had around 200 million to spend, if you don’t think that’s enough, it’s delusion.

 

[davids]

The thing is though mate, could they get us playing more attractive football? Not flowing, prime pep stuff, but football that inspires excitement and passion. Because for the whole of last season I saw that about twice. Now it could rightly be that is is down to the players not translating Moyes coaching onto the pitch. But if that is the case then it begs two questions, why isnt Moyes raging on the touchline all the time and why does he persevere with the same players if they are ignoring him?

I would prefer a new manager, and if it is true as you say, that a new manager cant get this team functioning with an outlay of £100M, what makes you think Moyes could? They have either downed tools on him, or he no longer has the fire in his belly, either way it doesn't bode well for next season.

They played too well in enough games to see that they can do it. With a few decent signings and a full preseason there's a good chance they can repeat the form they showed against Chelsea and Villa on a regular basis under Moyes. If they aren't by Xmas then that'd be the time to look for change.

 

[davids]

Ok I’ll humour you, let’s pretend there’s parallels to be drawn here, Kendall MK 1: Club Legend. Highly ambitious. All the energy in the world to take on a huge task as a relatively young man.
Moyes MK 2: Undoubtedly improved things the first maybe 2/3rds of his first spell, self preservation/promotion and boring approach had started to grate on a decent amount of the fan base long before the end, an end that certainly tainted him in the eyes of many. Ambitious? Hard to make a case for Moyes surely, i think a run at his beloved conference league would have him reaching for the top shelf deluxe Hobnobs and happily riding off in to the suns…….shade. Final point, ENERGY, a blind man can see that a lot of the light has dimmed in Moyes, don’t forget we fired older, worn down versions of Howard that clearly couldn’t advance us as well. Everton must always come first

Didn't fire Kendall,he walked because the board wouldn't buy Dublin. Oh and the best football under Moyes was at the end of his first time here. Do you even watch Everton?

 

[Joey66]

I was only quoting the Howard Kendall case to highlight how fickle Evertonians can be,I remember as if it was yesterday being given one of the Kendall out leaflets on my way into the ground. No I'm not happy with the football I'm seeing but for me it's the players on the pitch.In the run in of poor results you can point at individual mistake after mistake that lost us points. No way does any manager coach not shutting down into players or not to track runners. Basic football skills all players should have. Thread after thread has been made about a new manager without taking into account how poor our squad really is. A young progressive coach who could change the direction of the club using players like Tarkowski Keane Mykolenko Barry Beto with maybe at best 100 million to spend to replace them. Good luck with that one.

That's the point giving out contracts to older poor players is down to DM - he cited he would look in the championship on his budget as you point out nowadays £100 million with add ons is not that much - yet IMO he has wasted it one good signing a loan signing who was good but never went back when injured for the season ? -
then 3 players who he blanked & refused to play them - HA sent out on loan to his beloved PNE - Barry who does not look like a CF never mind a footballer -

The brand of football ended up Dyche style & he got sacked -

That Spurs away game was the end of the road for me summed him up team selection substitutions etc

He was here the first time & won nothing - yet he did raid the championship for players like Bent Cahill & in Scotland for Arteta & he eventually used youth players like Vaughn & Anichebe etc

 

[Daytripper]

Didn't fire Kendall,he walked because the board wouldn't buy Dublin. Oh and the best football under Moyes was at the end of his first time here. Do you even watch Everton?

I remember that, we beat Southampton at home 1-0 , got home and it was breaking news on the radio. Took us nearly two months to get a replacement.

 

[Charles Plastusz]

Didn't fire Kendall,he walked because the board wouldn't buy Dublin. Oh and the best football under Moyes was at the end of his first time here. Do you even watch Everton?

You do realise Howard was here three times? Honestly pal, you’re clearly deeply in love with an overpaid underachiever who was the perfect partner for an owner that was asset stripping the club year on year. The point about the football in his last season, which was i agree the best of his spell has nothing to do with what i meant, he’d lost a lot of goodwill long before that with dross. Do you even read. I’m done trying to reason with you. You do you, keep supporting the millionaire coward. I’ll do me and keep supporting the same club I’ve supported for 40 years. Enjoy your summer, might catch you on this forum some other time, although if Moyes is moved on i suspect you’ll go with him. See ya Rainman

 

[Azza]