Sorry mate was meaning the two seasons on the spin, around 2011/2012?
Sorry mate was meaning the two seasons on the spin, around 2011/2012?
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Yep, much worse Everton teams in the 90s beat better Liverpool teams a good few times.
There’s probably no other derby in football as one sided as this. Newly promoted Sunderland did the double over champions league Newcastle the richest club in the world. Poor City teams pre-takeover beat brilliant United teams. Even a terrible Leeds team have just won away at Old Trafford with United in third.
It’s a complete surrender by everyone at Everton and if we have any desire to be a serious football club again it can’t go on.
If Moyes is manager next season we’re not winning the Anfield derby and we’ll be hoping for a point at Goodison. If we are hoping to keep climbing th table then they’ll be in our orbit and we simply cannot keep gifting them 4-6 points every single season.
Iana
Player Valuation: £8m
Their record at Goodison up until his first appointment was pretty consistent of between 2-3 wins every decade.
We lost 8 league games to them at Goodison in his first spell in charge and after he left the results returned to the norm of the previous 100 years.
He’s got a serious inferiority complex about Liverpool and there is no defending that record for home games.
We lost 8 league games to them at Goodison in his first spell in charge and after he left the results returned to the norm of the previous 100 years.
He’s got a serious inferiority complex about Liverpool and there is no defending that record for home games.
Daytripper
Player Valuation: £50m
Ahh right, not sure, was one of them the 2-0 at Goodison when Roy Hodgson was their manager?
Iana
Player Valuation: £8m
Even HK 3 got 4 points out of them in 1997/98 with possibly the worst squad of players we have had in a long time.
It would have been 6 points if Madar had not missed a sitter to put us 2-0 up.
Drico
Player Valuation: £70m
That is the definition of an inferiority complex right there. The only way that statistic could be justified is if Liverpool were the best side Moyes faced in his Premier League tenure. Then it would make sense that his PPG against them was the lowest of all opponents. But in the period of Moyes's tenures, Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, and Manchester City have all been more dominant. It's only the Jürgen Klopp Liverpool era that compares to those clubs, and that was only a portion of those 41 matches. In other words, Moyes's failure against Liverpool has come largely against Houllier, Benitez, Dalglish, Hodgson, Rodgers, and now Slot.
We will never compete on anything approaching even a 40-60 level with Liverpool as long as the conservative's conservative doffs his hat to our "betters". In what should be our biggest rivalry, Moyes diminishes us. And people think this fella might win something with us...
I'm just winding you up for a laugh, but our derby record historically isn't particularly good.Ok, I attributed a win and a draw to Royle believing he'd been in charge that extra half season or so.
But you do realise what you're doing here?
In an effort to defend the worst derby manager of all time you've (illicitly) denigrated the derby day record of our greatest ever manager and cast a shadow over the unbeaten derby day record of another Everton player-manager legend.
That's some dedication you're showing to a ropey manager who's led us nowhere other than up the garden path for 12 years.
vinvinvin
Player Valuation: £1m
I think that his objectives were to get us to the new stadium and secure us in the top flight there, which he has achieved. Challenging for Europe is an unexpected bonus this year party due to the poor quality of the league as for large parts of the season we have not been good enough.
Whether he stays on from here depends on what the objectives are going forward and whether the board think Moyes can deliver them.
If we are being ambitious and wanting Europe or a cup then I think the last two games and a review of the season as a whole should tell the board Moyes isn't the man to deliver that. If we are looking for another year of consolidation then he's still a relatively safe pair of hands.
We do have to be cautious though, as Spurs showed with Thomas Frank, some of the modern, successful coaches may not be as influential as they seem and operate in well oiled machines & structures (I am thinking (Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford etc), which can then lead to them struggling when leaving that environment.
Our overall set up is just as important as the manager and I would also like to see some evidence that our model is delivering results not just the Moyes or whoever is in the dugout because I still have some questions there.
Daytripper
Player Valuation: £50m
I don’t understand the inferiority complex to be honest, it’s just a game of football. Given our record it’s not working most of the time.
Taking a guess it might start from within the club with internal supporters having this “got to be beat these” putting pressure on and some can’t handle it , people acting like it’s the be all and end all of a season mindset but I suppose it could be similar at a lot of clubs.
A lot of resentment has built over the years and they know it as well and play on it.
Drico
Player Valuation: £70m
You're right. We're judging him on 14 years with us and 41 matches against them.
He cowers against them.
st.domingo
Player Valuation: £15m
Sorry to pick on your post - you are far from the only one making this argument - but I can’t get onboard with this.
Yes it sounds superficially reasonable - there are indeed 38 games in a season.
But let’s be real here - do we really want to be the inferior team in Liverpool forever?
I’m minded to go with Eggs’ wisdom: if we’re the best team in the city, then the rest will take care of itself.
The next guy should absolutely be someone who has their number.
At least more than twice a decade like.
For Moyes to say they are a very good team is incredible. Hasn't he watched them lately? He obviously is trying to hide his record against them behind bull. They are not a good team with exceptional players. How many of their players will be courted by the likes of Bayern, Real Madrid, PSG - only one Szoboszlai all the rest are either over the hill Salah, Van Dijk, Robertson, overrated Wirtz, Gravenberch, Gazpo or just also rans Jones, Konate (who is probably their best defender) or anonymous Isak.
This is the worst lfc team that we have played for a very long time. But they still beat us. Why? Yes they tried harder against us but Moyes can't think of a way to beat them, he's too cautious, too stuck in his ways, too predictable - work up and down the channels, cover the breakdown etc.. We had the ball in the net twice - one disallowed - because we got to the byline and crossed - a major weakness for lfc this season. But we didn't do it enough. Why? Because he didn't want to commit too many players forward just in case. There were a number of instances were a cross came in from the left and there was no on the back post, O'Brien could have been there as he has been in other games but wasn't. Why? Was he under instructions not to venture too far forward at times, even though he did set up the disallowed goal, or did he take it upon himself not to get forward more because he was too cautious or under instructions from Tarkowski not to go up.
Our home form is pathetic and I feel for us next season because it's very unusual for us to rely on our away form. If that dips and Moyes hasn't developed a way of winning at home, then we may well be in a relegation scrap next season. In which case he may well be gone by Christmas.
This is the worst lfc team that we have played for a very long time. But they still beat us. Why? Yes they tried harder against us but Moyes can't think of a way to beat them, he's too cautious, too stuck in his ways, too predictable - work up and down the channels, cover the breakdown etc.. We had the ball in the net twice - one disallowed - because we got to the byline and crossed - a major weakness for lfc this season. But we didn't do it enough. Why? Because he didn't want to commit too many players forward just in case. There were a number of instances were a cross came in from the left and there was no on the back post, O'Brien could have been there as he has been in other games but wasn't. Why? Was he under instructions not to venture too far forward at times, even though he did set up the disallowed goal, or did he take it upon himself not to get forward more because he was too cautious or under instructions from Tarkowski not to go up.
Our home form is pathetic and I feel for us next season because it's very unusual for us to rely on our away form. If that dips and Moyes hasn't developed a way of winning at home, then we may well be in a relegation scrap next season. In which case he may well be gone by Christmas.
