2025/26 David Moyes

davek said:
Moyes won the xG title. 🙌

The quality of our football under Martinez was levels above what Moyes ever produced. I dont think there's anyone who'd deny that in all seriousness.

And I'm not sure what Martinez in his three seasons here where we attained our best ever season points-wise, reached 2 domestic cup SFs, a last 16 in the EL and two mid table finishes had to do with lowering standards from Moyes' dismal and fruitless 11 year spell here.
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Those 2 “mid table” finishes were both bottom half weren’t they? So Moyes can finish 11th and that’s good for you?

Ah the Semi Final and Last 16 trophies. Such proud achievements. We came closer to winning a pot under Moyes who got us to a final and also last 16 of EL.

You have a go at Moyes for winning nothing but (both times) he picked up a team that was on the floor rather than like martinez who picked up a team that had just finished 6th and was a stable in the top 8. Martinez won nothing. And Moyes is only a point behind Martinez 2nd and 3rd seasons already.
 
DayL08 said:
There has been a bit of revisionism since the great performance against Chelsea and the long break. Forgetting most of the other home performances

For once DaveK is making a good point - the league is so packed that we are just as likely to end up 13th as we are 5th. Would people be happy with 13th. Isn’t that about where Dyche would have finished without the deductions that year

The league is a strange one this year. At the moment we are behind Brentford who promoted their set piece coach, lost their 2 best players and their captain. I bet most of us thought that they would be in a relegation scrap. Do we think they are lauding Andrews as the messiah.
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Very good comment.

And TLDR.. this is waaaay too long a response as I'm stuck in a kin boring Teams call at work. But here goes:

Brentford's rise (also Sunderland, Brighton, Bournemouth, even Palace) proves how football clubs can be successful outside the ugly joke of the top 6's fine- dodging, agent led splurges. Isak, Wirtz. Haha. And disgusting btw, as well as unsuccessful and unsustainable.

So whilst I generally dislike the smug: 'alignment of fans, club and owners' blether that comes from whatever yoyo-club DOF the moment they lingerin the prem, there IS also something to it....

You mentioned Brentford... I lived there 10 years and caught cheap midweek games and the odd Saturdays when players were still in the 'hive' bar after games :) They are now brilliantly well run.
  • Ditched their youth system (they effectively embed their youth at other local clubs)
  • Matthew Benham the owner had dialogue with fans explaining the costs...
  • ... and his data- driven moneyball plans to move them to Prem from league 2 with a new stadium.
  • He did it all in about 13ish seasons.
So their fans trust the owners and managers. They trust the recruitment. Andrews has seemingly done a great job, but assisted by recruitment and longevity behind-the-scenes. He's not changing much, he has to fit THEIR model. Same for the others I mentioned, to the extent Brighton are ticking over with a manager younger than some of the actual team.

Football has moved on from Ron Atkinson, RedKnapp, sheepskins, 'deals', rocking up and rollicking players. Not saying it's redundant, but many changing rooms probably have 8+ languages in them these days. They are businesses, in the entertainment sector.

My question after all this is how Moyes and TFG ( who seem pro ) work together and to what plan/ style of football. If we get Europe, Moyes'll be given kinda carte Blanche to stick to his guns football wise... After all, the club will be profitable.

My only issue with that is, that style of football has won 1 pot in what... 30 years of mgt?
 
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From my perspective both sides of the 'what if' and the 'let's praise him now' argument are correct.

We can do both, there can be praise for where we currently sit and also room to guess what our emotions will be with the possible scenarios that may play out, in a positive sense. In the past 5 seasons, the positive 'what ifs' have been clear of relegation with a few games to go. So, it is not a stupid thing to be saying well done to Moyes, for changing that picture we have.

The same with the negative picture, replace the we could drop down into the relegation zone with with 13th. This is a positive turnaround, that the only negative to the season is that we drop down to lower mid table.

Whatever happens at the end of the seasons, there will still be a lot more positives to be seen than negatives.
 
Marius57 said:
Those 2 “mid table” finishes were both bottom half weren’t they? So Moyes can finish 11th and that’s good for you?

Ah the Semi Final and Last 16 trophies. Such proud achievements. We came closer to winning a pot under Moyes who got us to a final and also last 16 of EL.

You have a go at Moyes for winning nothing but (both times) he picked up a team that was on the floor rather than like martinez who picked up a team that had just finished 6th and was a stable in the top 8. Martinez won nothing. And Moyes is only a point behind Martinez 2nd and 3rd seasons already.
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When did Martinez spend ÂŁ110M in one summer? Also, the PL was way more qualitatively competitive than it is now.

11th in a league like this when the so called top teams are all over the place would be unsatisfactory.

Everyone knows it too.
 
Efcjake said:
I do like this new policy of you can call the manager crap at any poor run of form but if the form picks up we have to wait to the end of the season to pass judgement.


I don't think anyone else sees it that way.

Improvement is progress and progress is good.
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Yes, but now the word 'achievement' has been walked back...and rightfully so.
 
davek said:
I just did the inflation calculator:

ÂŁ110M now was ÂŁ74M back in 2013.

When did Martinez ever get near that net spend? Never. Not even for all his time here...nowhere near it.
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You realise football finance isn't the same as CPI?

Any number of online tools can give you an answer, but it seems that around ÂŁ45m in 2013 is broadly equivalent to ÂŁ110m today.
So the summer of buying Lukaku (which was great business) comes close.
 
Blackwell Livermore said:
If it's not 72 points it's not an achievement.
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We're on course for about 60 points....max.

If you cant see that 72 points in one season for an Everton team with minimal financial backing isn't an achievement in comparison with an Everton team getting (maybe) 55+ points in a season when we had ÂŁ110M pumped into it then that's down to you.
 
b-rad said:
You realise football finance isn't the same as CPI?

Any number of online tools can give you an answer, but it seems that around ÂŁ45m in 2013 is broadly equivalent to ÂŁ110m today.
So the summer of buying Lukaku (which was great business) comes close.
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Well be my guest and come up with the comparative figure...
 
davek said:
I just did the inflation calculator:

ÂŁ110M now was ÂŁ74M back in 2013.

When did Martinez ever get near that net spend? Never. Not even for all his time here...nowhere near it.
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You didn't read what I said, which was that "pricing in the premier league is not comparable". I said nothing about inflation.
 

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