2025/26 David Moyes

[Drico]

ToffeeTV had a good díscussion yesterday between Baz, a Moyes loyalist, and "Blainzy" of "Business With Blain", so it says here.

Anyway, in all my years eavesdropping on ToffeeTV, I have never seen it so animated - or interesting. It's usually just bland guff or Ped sighing and swearing in a gutteral manner without actually holding the manager accountable for anything. John Blain, I felt, has it spot on. The manager is under pressure and, right now, will not be offered a new contract - not simply for results (which are not terrible overall), but for the handling of young players. Basically, there is a disconnect between what the club wants when hiring young players and what the manager wants - and this can only end one way.

Baz seems to be in a state of shock. Even he recognised that the home form is disastrous. But he was perilously close to Dyche territory when he opined that if some of the away wins were at home, even two of them, and they were spaced out, say, one in January and one in February, then we'd all feel better. When I heard that I knew we were in the denial stage of the Kübler-Ross curve...

A defeat on Saturday and failure to beat Burnley would frighten the horses. The sense from watching the lads last night was we could be in the last knockings of the Moyesiah's tenure if we don't start getting some surprising home wins over more favoured sides.

 

[Thomasc]

So mid table obscurity is the best we can ever hope for, so why bother trying?

Interesting ambition you have there.

I don’t make the rules, it’s nothing to do with my ambition.

The PL have created a rule where you can’t compete without spending big, but your allowance on spending to improve your squad is based on your turnover.

The ship has long sailed. The same teams qualify for CL football year on year generally, or have you missed all of this?

 

[Drico]

I could understand him not playing Aznou, Alcaraz, Rohl, Dibling if we were in a relegation battle.

But we've been safe for weeks.

Let them go out and express themselves - see what they can do last 12-14 games of the season.

This is why the argument that we should hold on to Moyes until the summer is weakened. We are not going down. We are not making Europe (face it, we've blown that by now...the next few weeks will only reinforce that). Personally, I'd only remove him in the summer if the man we want is not available now. If he was, I'd make the switch immediately and allow the new man in to start playing these younger boys.

Politically, there will be no movement until the summer. I reckon the Friedkins are conservative and would like to manage this with a little dignity. So, summer it is. At best.

 

[paultheblue]

I think he was always going in the summer and thats why he wasnt given any money in January.
I think he is more concerned about his managerial stats than the long term future of the club which is why he always goes for his more experienced players

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

This is why the argument that we should hold on to Moyes until the summer is weakened. We are not going down. We are not making Europe (face it, we've blown that by now...the next few weeks will only reinforce that). Personally, I'd only remove him in the summer if the man we want is not available now. If he was, I'd make the switch immediately and allow the new man in to start playing these younger boys.

Politically, there will be no movement until the summer. I reckon the Friedkins are conservative and would like to manage this with a little dignity. So, summer it is. At best.

I think you're going to find yourself severely disappointed. You seem to have already reached a tin foil hat fever pitch in your anti Moyes hatred. God only knows what you'll be spouting this time next year if he is still in place.

 

[the golden visionary]

I don’t make the rules, it’s nothing to do with my ambition.

The PL have created a rule where you can’t compete without spending big, but your allowance on spending to improve your squad is based on your turnover.

The ship has long sailed. The same teams qualify for CL football year on year generally, or have you missed all of this?

To add to your point, since PSR the regular CL team are now more than ever cherrypicking and hoarding the better players of the other clubs.

The clubs who missed the boat cant afford to try and build a squad, eg palace. Won a cup. In previous decades that would have been a catalyst for them to supplement the likes of guehi and eze with better players and build. But now its "these players are too good and need to move on".

Much like we will experience with illy, branners, garner and have been for the last few seasons with pickford.

The tables set and the media are so heavily invested in the order that thryre not going to call it out.

 

[MikeH72]

I think he was always going in the summer and thats why he wasnt given any money in January.
I think he is more concerned about his managerial stats than the long term future of the club which is why he always goes for his more experienced players

He’s always been a manager that would rather fall on his sword than change the basic fundamentals of what he does. We won’t see anything other than 4-2-3-1 with his experienced favourites, O’Brien at right back, Gana playing every minute and a redundant number 10 who is in the team to press the opposition centre backs for the rest of his tenure, regardless of how long that is.

 

[hetion]

I don’t make the rules, it’s nothing to do with my ambition.

The PL have created a rule where you can’t compete without spending big, but your allowance on spending to improve your squad is based on your turnover.

The ship has long sailed. The same teams qualify for CL football year on year generally, or have you missed all of this?

Generally yes, but Villa got *promoted to the premier league* in 2019. PSR had already existed for 4 years then. In very rare circumstances it is doable, but you need a huge amount of investment and a close to world class manager

 

[Drico]

I think you're going to find yourself severely disappointed. You seem to have already reached a tin foil hat fever pitch in your anti Moyes hatred. God only knows what you'll be spouting this time next year if he is still in place.

I might well be disappointed, Kev, but I'll be right about Moyes. We're going nowhere with his Jurassic corners and failure to develop 80m of young talent. A matter of time now.

 

[Moonlight dribble]

ToffeeTV had a good díscussion yesterday between Baz, a Moyes loyalist, and "Blainzy" of "Business With Blain", so it says here.

Anyway, in all my years eavesdropping on ToffeeTV, I have never seen it so animated - or interesting. It's usually just bland guff or Ped sighing and swearing in a gutteral manner without actually holding the manager accountable for anything. John Blain, I felt, has it spot on. The manager is under pressure and, right now, will not be offered a new contract - not simply for results (which are not terrible overall), but for the handling of young players. Basically, there is a disconnect between what the club wants when hiring young players and what the manager wants - and this can only end one way.

Baz seems to be in a state of shock. Even he recognised that the home form is disastrous. But he was perilously close to Dyche territory when he opined that if some of the away wins were at home, even two of them, and they were spaced out, say, one in January and one in February, then we'd all feel better. When I heard that I knew we were in the denial stage of the Kübler-Ross curve...

A defeat on Saturday and failure to beat Burnley would frighten the horses. The sense from watching the lads last night was we could be in the last knockings of the Moyesiah's tenure if we don't start getting some surprising home wins over more favoured sides.

Thank you, it is the best long post I ever read. His treatment of potential is at best lousy and worse negligent.

 

[davek]

ToffeeTV had a good díscussion yesterday between Baz, a Moyes loyalist, and "Blainzy" of "Business With Blain", so it says here.

Anyway, in all my years eavesdropping on ToffeeTV, I have never seen it so animated - or interesting. It's usually just bland guff or Ped sighing and swearing in a gutteral manner without actually holding the manager accountable for anything. John Blain, I felt, has it spot on. The manager is under pressure and, right now, will not be offered a new contract - not simply for results (which are not terrible overall), but for the handling of young players. Basically, there is a disconnect between what the club wants when hiring young players and what the manager wants - and this can only end one way.

Baz seems to be in a state of shock. Even he recognised that the home form is disastrous. But he was perilously close to Dyche territory when he opined that if some of the away wins were at home, even two of them, and they were spaced out, say, one in January and one in February, then we'd all feel better. When I heard that I knew we were in the denial stage of the Kübler-Ross curve...

A defeat on Saturday and failure to beat Burnley would frighten the horses. The sense from watching the lads last night was we could be in the last knockings of the Moyesiah's tenure if we don't start getting some surprising home wins over more favoured sides.

TFG could just allow Moyes' contract to wind down, I suppose. It's happened with Glasner and Iraola this season with different results.

IIRC Kenwright and Moyes went into the final season of his contract before Moyes re-signed.

That might be the preferred option for the owners this summer.

So far Moyes hasn't done enough to get rewarded; but has he done that badly (football quality aside) to be sacked?

My fear is that if they keep him on we wont see the level of spending this summer we require.

 

[Drico]

I think he was always going in the summer and thats why he wasnt given any money in January.
I think he is more concerned about his managerial stats than the long term future of the club which is why he always goes for his more experienced players

To be fair, if he is going in the summer why would he care about the younger players or the club's future. It's a mercenary game and he is a hired gun.

I agree with you about the January window. An ambitious club trying to rebuild doesn't sit out windows if they are all-in with the manager. So, either Moyes is on his way or the Friedkins are not ambitious. The Mark Douglas article today, for what it's worth, would suggest they are ambitious...

 

[Simon Buttle]

TFG could just allow Moyes' contract to wind down, I suppose. It's happened with Glasner and Iraola this season with different results.

IIRC Kenwright and Moyes went into the final season of his contract before Moyes re-signed.

That might be the preferred option for the owners this summer.

So far Moyes hasn't done enough to get rewarded; but has he done that badly (football quality aside) to be sacked?

My fear is that if they keep him on we wont see the level of spending this summer we require.

I'm the same with this, why would you hand him another large wedge of cash when he hasn't even got the best out of the players that were brought in last summer.

 

[Drico]

TFG could just allow Moyes' contract to wind down, I suppose. It's happened with Glasner and Iraola this season with different results.

IIRC Kenwright and Moyes went into the final season of his contract before Moyes re-signed.

That might be the preferred option for the owners this summer.

So far Moyes hasn't done enough to get rewarded; but has he done that badly (football quality aside) to be sacked?

My fear is that if they keep him on we wont see the level of spending this summer we require.

It comes down to their vision. If they want to nurse their investment but have no real vision for challenging the current "elite", then they might hold on to Moyes, calibrate their spending (so, sit out January windows), and attract events to the stadium - the real asset in their eyes.

If they have footballing ambitions, I suspect they will make a managerial change in the summer, attract somebody who buys-in to the "developing youth" model, and spend accordingly.

Let's assume the stadium is key to them - which surely it is. I doubt they're thrilled that it hasn't sold out all season and we couldn't fill it even for the visit of United. Seat Unique tickets are cheaper than people think with a bit of patient monitoring. Season tickets - the bulk of our attendance - are subsidised. A Moyes team doesn't maximise the revenue possibilities. Logically, they will want better, more attractive football that people are prepared to pay for. They are Americans: lovers of big events. Moyes's Everton were many things over the years, sometimes positive things. But we were never box office. That will need to change.

 

[paultheblue]

If you were a manager of any other business and asked the owners for 80m so you could upgrade your machinery got the money but carried on using the older more familiar equipment how long do you think you would last?
Every time you think hes on the verge of the sack he has managed to pull off a big result away from home and silence the doubters.
I think we will see a different picture this weekend ,If we concede early it could get messy