2025/26 David Moyes

[MikeH72]

Siege mentality football.
knife to a gun fight.

Both are traits of being underdogs, not sure how it can be seen otherwise personally.

What do you see as the polar opposite of ‘knife to a gun fight’ and what traits would you associate with that are shared with having a siege mentality?

Well knife to a gunfight implies giving up against teams we perceive ourselves to have no chance against. That’s been people’s main complaint about Moyes over the years, our record against the “top” teams, not our record against the lesser teams. The scenario you’ve presented to us is a rewriting of history.

 

[hallamblue]

Siege mentality football.
knife to a gun fight.

Both are traits of being underdogs, not sure how it can be seen otherwise personally.

What do you see as the polar opposite of ‘knife to a gun fight’ and what traits would you associate with that are shared with having a siege mentality

Polar opposite would be a gun to a knife fight, which is what Moyes would see as Carrick's position tonight, unlike his position when he was in charge of Man Utd. At that time, despite having won the league the previous year, they were apparently a poor squad with a lot of deficiencies that did amazingly well to finish 6th.

 

[MikeH72]

Polar opposite would be a gun to a knife fight, which is what Moyes would see as Carrick's position tonight, unlike his position when he was in charge of Man Utd. At that time, despite having won the league the previous year, they were apparently a poor squad with a lot of deficiencies that did amazingly well to finish 6th.

Polar opposite would be routinely beating the lesser teams and rolling over against the top teams, which was always the chief complaint from fans against Moyes. The fact people are trying to flip that around and pretend it was the opposite is frankly bizarre. I think some of our fans have scrambled their own brains with agendas and online brain rot.

 

[hallamblue]

Polar opposite would be routinely beating the lesser teams and rolling over against the top teams, which was always the chief complaint from fans against Moyes. The fact people are trying to flip that around and pretend it was the opposite is frankly bizarre. I think some of our fans have scrambled their own brains with agendas and online brain rot.

He literally said he was taking a knife to a gunfight and shopping at Aldi, which belittled the club at the expense of his own self aggrandisement. That is why people have a problem with him.

 

[MikeH72]

He literally said he was taking a knife to a gunfight and shopping at Aldi, which belittled the club at the expense of his own self aggrandisement. That is why people have a problem with him.

Well I will pay the Moyes detractors a little bit more respect and suggest that that one statement that one time isn’t the singular reason they have a problem with him.

 

[hallamblue]

Well I will pay the Moyes detractors a little bit more respect and suggest that that one statement that one time isn’t the singular reason they have a problem with him.

It's not the one statement, it's a constant theme. I'm surprised and delighted when we win, the trouble is, so is Moyes!

 

[Bluewolf]

He literally said he was taking a knife to a gunfight and shopping at Aldi, which belittled the club at the expense of his own self aggrandisement. That is why people have a problem with him.

He said this in reference to a question regarding wages and transfer spends in a pre match press conference when we were playing city iirc.

It was how much money teams can spend in reference to what we can spend is like taking a gun to a knife fight because of how overwhelmingly unequal the squads are. When we can only bring on subs that we found in a skip and city have full internationals just waiting to come off the bench.

It wasn't about belittling the club at all

 

[MikeH72]

It's not the one statement, it's a constant theme. I'm surprised and delighted when we win, the trouble is, so is Moyes!

At the time we hadn’t made a signing for actual money for 18 months, and City had just gone and taken Yaya Toure, Balotelli, Tevez, Aguero, Adebayor and David Silva off some of the best teams in Europe. There was nothing equal about it. But it has left people with a soundbite that can forever be removed from that context and used to haunt him for the rest of his career, so he should’ve seen that coming tbh.

 

[MACCA75]

There is a case for a managerial change if you want more attacking, less risk averse football, sure.

The idea that Moyes is holding back a brilliant squad from finishing in the top 6, or he is single handedly ruining transfer windows is utterly laughable. You would think people would have learnt this over the last 15 years, but apparently not.

 

[Toffeelover]

Polar opposite would be a gun to a knife fight, which is what Moyes would see as Carrick's position tonight, unlike his position when he was in charge of Man Utd. At that time, despite having won the league the previous year, they were apparently a poor squad with a lot of deficiencies that did amazingly well to finish 6th.

If we had finished 6th we would have had the champagne flowing.

 

[blueboy72]

He said this in reference to a question regarding wages and transfer spends in a pre match press conference when we were playing city iirc.

It was how much money teams can spend in reference to what we can spend is like taking a gun to a knife fight because of how overwhelmingly unequal the squads are. When we can only bring on subs that we found in a skip and city have full internationals just waiting to come off the bench.

It wasn't about belittling the club at all

But its proven time and time again teams
with less money and smaller/cheaper squads can win cups and titles. Obviously it helps, but with a defeatist attitude you’re always on be back foot.

I remember Ferguson commenting on Chelsea under mourinho in his first season that Chelsea should win the league, because what they spent and Jose pointing out his Porto team knocked Utd out of the European cup tbe year before with a squad 1/10 of the cost

 

[AaronTheBlue]

His football and mentality is inherently boring and you'll find more and more match going fans get fed up with it, too many people live in fear of the past few years so theyre afraid to actually have any ambition.

Whilst i wouldn't say were in a 'false position' we are in the position we are, more due to other teams failures rather than our own success.

Away form i think you absolutely cannot question him about, it's the biggest and best thing he's got going for him, but his home form is awful, his tactics at home are boring, negative, he is stubborn and doesn't change, has too many favourites that don't even deserve to be favourites, and seems to want to stick to approaches that don't work.

I've said it previously, but he HAS done the exact job we wanted and needed him to do, the summer would be the perfect time to start fresh, it won't get better under Moyes imo, and i'd rather he went out after having a steady season then get sacked when the wheels inevitably fall off.

 

[Swartzy]

It's not the one statement, it's a constant theme. I'm surprised and delighted when we win, the trouble is, so is Moyes!

Do you ever listen to other manager conferences, they basically all sing off the same hymn sheet..

 

[Gilbert..]

There is a case for a managerial change if you want more attacking, less risk averse football, sure.

The idea that Moyes is holding back a brilliant squad from finishing in the top 6, or he is single handedly ruining transfer windows is utterly laughable. You would think people would have learnt this over the last 15 years, but apparently not.

I think Brightons win at Brentford summed up a lot about this league. They didnt nick that win. They outplayed brentford. That happens most weeks now. Teams can all beat each other. Its levelling out. You've only got to look at the table. You can go from 7th to 14th in the blink of an eye. We're a mid table team. The strikers aren't any better than mid table. The fullbacks certainly aren't.
I fear United tonight not because any set up Moyes plays. But because we're not good enough to play on the front foot. All the home games we've lost is because our defence get exposed for pace when we leave huge areas of green grass to attack. They're protected away from home.
Moyes has done well to not have this club once this season near any relegation talk.
To move onwards recruitment is the most important thing now for Everton. Im not convinced that involves Moyes though. Thats the other side of the coin with him. There is a ceiling with Moyes. Always has been. What scares me though is a manager like iraola trying to implement his style with the like of tarkowski and mykolenko. We'd get battered.
We need a good few seasons of different recruitment for managers like him.

 

[Joey66]

Do you ever listen to other manager conferences, they basically all sing off the same hymn sheet..

Like his team sheets