2025/26 David Moyes

That is not necessarily evidence that it is a 'not to lose' set up though. It just means we are not going to go 100% on attack mode. It could easily just mean a balance of tactics. As in 'We know their strengths so defensively we are going to make sure we are tight and not concede'. However the other aspect of attacking is not ignored, and even to the point where there is a focus that when we win the ball back there is a concerted effort to push up and get a goal.

When it was compared with Dyche, that was a typical 'Plan A is to get a goalless draw' tactic. As said, the Bournemouth game was the epitome of that, not even getting a shot away.

What I see as a Moyes away tactic is to play a way that will look to nullify their major threats, but without being overly cautious. Get the ball and we can attack, but still a mindset of being wary of leaving too much space. How many times did Garner, Rohl & Armstrong pick the ball up and turn it into an attacking opportunity, plenty of times. Barry & McNeil looking to press their centre backs, along with the odd Armstrong or Garner press as well. Trying to win the ball high up the field. That is not the 'I only want a draw' tactic that you are seeing.

I guess some will see that as negative, I see it as pragmatic and trying to get the win.

Our first target needs to be to keep a clean sheet because if we concede we lose (except one at home to Crystal Palace who should have been out of sight anyway). 3 points in a season from losing positions highlights the lack of a plan B that we can execute unfortunately.
 
It’s tricky to say given Branthwaite has been out all season and we’ve lost a lot of key players to the African Cup, injury/suspension, etc.
Yeah, but you seem to have a clear idea of what is not par, so it would be nice to get your par nailed down, so we've got a clear idea of your expectations. I assume it's above where Dyche had us without deductions two seasons ago,cat least? Unless you think we have a worse squad now or that Dyche is the superior manager?
 
Yeah, but you seem to have a clear idea of what is not par, so it would be nice to get your par nailed down, so we've got a clear idea of your expectations. I assume it's above where Dyche had us without deductions two seasons ago,cat least? Unless you think we have a worse squad now or that Dyche is the superior manager?
Anything 10th or above has be be seen as a bonus. I think we should be well away from the relegation places. So I guess 12-16 is sort of par. But there is so much strength in the league. Look at Bournemouth and Palace.

For me, Moyes is a good enough manager to outperform and get Europe with this squad just because of his talent and team-building skills. But we need things to break for us.
 
Anything 10th or above has be be seen as a bonus. I think we should be well away from the relegation places. So I guess 12-16 is sort of par. But there is so much strength in the league. Look at Bournemouth and Palace.

For me, Moyes is a good enough manager to outperform and get Europe with this squad just because of his talent and team-building skills. But we need things to break for us.
16th?! Worse than Dyche? Par? No wonder you're so delighted all of the time.
 
I think we have a good first eleven, but the depth of a puddle is the Nevada desert. That’s why it’s hard to put a firm par score out there. We probably have a wider range of potential performance than most teams in the league.
If Moyes can't outperform Dyche with better players in the first 11 and a similarly weak squad beyond that then I don't understand the point of bringing him in. It's weird that you're ok with him not outperforming Dyche. That you think their par position should essentially be the same.
 
If Moyes can't outperform Dyche with better players in the first 11 and a similarly weak squad beyond that then I don't understand the point of bringing him in. It's weird that you're ok with him not outperforming Dyche. That you think their par position should essentially be the same.
Well, you have to also weigh in how much better we look. Sure, there is occasional drab stuff but we’ve made big strides as a footballing outfit.
 

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