David Moyes - all reaction here

[RaleighBlue]

In our squad?

I'd take: Mata, RVP, Rooney, Jones, Carrick, Rafael, De Gea, and Janujaz. Easily. And I probably wouldn't turn down Chicarito as an impact sub.

Gotta think about Europe here.

Hibbert is getting too old to be great cover for Coleman, Rafael would be a fine backup. Rooney and Mata would walk into our first team. Carrick would be great cover for our fragile CM. De Gea would start, and even if not, he's much better than Robles.

Jones is young, and good. And RVP is obvious.

People act like the United side is terrible, but it's not. It's easily as solid as Spurs or us, or Arsenal. They're just not playing well, and they have a weak center with poor center backs and no great partnership in CM. The players don't suit Moyes, and Moyes doesn't suit challenging for titles.

They aren't in the same breath as City and Chelsea, no one in England is, but lets not pretend they don't have class players.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Stating the obvious here (it's what I'm good at)...

I think we all agree that this United side has serious issues to be addressed. Nevertheless Ferguson won the league with them last year. The team is the same except for the loss of Scholes and the players added by Moyes. It's surely hard to replicate Ferguson's success, but no doubt Moyes has been a disappointment.

Last year's Everton side was good, but I think we all agree it needed a few players. This years side is the same except for the loss of Fellaini (taken by Moyes) and the players added by Martinez. It's surely hard to change from one manager to the next, but no doubt Martinez seems to have success, even better than what Moyes did last year.

Many herald Martinez as a top manager in the league, yet his team last year was relegated. This leads me to ask two questions:

1. What is the deal with Moyes?
2. How important is the manager, if Martinez can be heralded as a top manager one year when his team was relegated the prior year?

(Obviously I think the manager is very important, but ... maybe this comment should go in Mikey's sacking thread).

 

[RaleighBlue]

1. What is the deal with Moyes?
2. How important is the manager, if Martinez can be heralded as a top manager one year when his team was relegated the prior year?

(Obviously I think the manager is very important, but ... maybe this comment should go in Mikey's sacking thread).

Moyes is a great manager for stabilization. Martinez is a great manager for winning silverware. But winning silverware requires risk. And risk allows for failure.

Martinez is more like to succeed and also more likely to fail spectacularly. Moyes will never do either, which, given the expectations at United, makes him a failure.

I think the manager is vital, both for tactics, but also for culture and attitude. I don't know if (for example) Jurgen Klopp would be as successful with West Ham as Big Sam. But Big Sam would never be able to do what Klopp does at Dortmund.

I think there are different types of manager. 1 set is good for not being relegated (Sam, Moyes, Pulis) and one set is good for winning (Martinez, Mourinho, Klopp). They probably can't do each others jobs as well.

 

[Ihaters]

Stating the obvious here (it's what I'm good at)...

I think we all agree that this United side has serious issues to be addressed. Nevertheless Ferguson won the league with them last year. The team is the same except for the loss of Scholes and the players added by Moyes. It's surely hard to replicate Ferguson's success, but no doubt Moyes has been a disappointment.

Last year's Everton side was good, but I think we all agree it needed a few players. This years side is the same except for the loss of Fellaini (taken by Moyes) and the players added by Martinez. It's surely hard to change from one manager to the next, but no doubt Martinez seems to have success, even better than what Moyes did last year.

Many herald Martinez as a top manager in the league, yet his team last year was relegated. This leads me to ask two questions:

1. What is the deal with Moyes?
2. How important is the manager, if Martinez can be heralded as a top manager one year when his team was relegated the prior year?

(Obviously I think the manager is very important, but ... maybe this comment should go in Mikey's sacking thread).

Moyes isn't very good at United but he was very good with us..
Martinez was great in the Cup once, but otherwise not very good at Wigan but he is ver good with us.
I think the question should be why are we so ace to manage?

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

Just got a terrible feeling mate

you realise of course though that we're not losing again this season?

 

[LinekersLegs]

Moyes is a great manager for stabilization. Martinez is a great manager for winning silverware. But winning silverware requires risk. And risk allows for failure.
...
I think there are different types of manager. 1 set is good for not being relegated (Sam, Moyes, Pulis) and one set is good for winning (Martinez, Mourinho, Klopp). They probably can't do each others jobs as well.

IIRC Klopp's former team were relegated a few years into his managment and then failed to win promotion. Wenger was also relegated as a young manager.

Like you I believe that their & Martinez's attacking vs defensive style of play means far more volatility both good or bad.

 

[BoysInBlue]

Richard Keys reckons that Sir Alex was 'furious' that Moyes sacked all of his backroom staff:

http://richardajkeys.com/richards-blog/entry/manchester-united-arsenal-mancini

What a shambles at Manchester United. And it's not going to get better any time soon.

David Moyes looks shot to pieces. I feel sorry for the guy, but there's little more I can add on the subject. I refer you to my previous Blogs. He's got to go.

I would make that decision now. Before next week's game v Bayern Munich.This Utd team will get embarrassed by the German champions. Destroyed. So why wait?

Ryan Giggs is going to manage Manchester United one day soon, that's a certainty.

Either bring the timeline forward and make the apt now, which I would do, or.......I'll come back to that.

I learned this week one of the agreements Fergie had with Moyes was that he wouldn't disrupt the backroom staff. Fergie was furious when he did.

That might account for the 'genuine' lack of support - and his constant hanging about the place denying Moyes the chance to get in and do the job his way.

But that 'or......' Or go and get Mancini to fill the void until Giggs is ready. That was the thinking of half the Utd Boardroom last summer.

Except the idea then was Mourinho.

Mourinho would've kept Utd competitive. Mancini would do now. And what a way to get right in the face of the 'noisy' neighbours!

Mancini is just like Fergie - arrogant, determined, aloof, a fighter - he takes no prisoners.

It won't happen of course, so it's over to Giggs.

And if I was making decisions at Arsenal Mancini would be my next call. I think everybody at The Emirates needs a change, including Arsene Wenger.

The last thing I want to see happen is that Wenger ends up getting fired. He deserves better than that.

He's been awesome at Arsenal and for English football in general.

I hope he wins the FA Cup this season and then decides to walk.

Arsenal then need to think very hard about the next man in. Do they go down the same route - pretty but ineffective football - or take a slightly different direction.

Mancini would certainly do that.

As well as all of the above - he's a winner! Look what he did at City. No more the 'nearly' men. He transformed the place and with it, expectation.

Quite simply, he delivered. He's one of the game's coaching 'giants'. Food for thought eh?

Keys certainly likes Mancini doesn't he?

 

[toffee matt]

Richard Keys reckons that Sir Alex was 'furious' that Moyes sacked all of his backroom staff:

http://richardajkeys.com/richards-blog/entry/manchester-united-arsenal-mancini



Keys certainly likes Mancini doesn't he?

I'd take anything Richard keys says with a pinch of salt, he's a massive bell

 

[meagher94]

Apparently a Telegraph reporter on Twitter reckons Moyes has gone, from "sources close to the club"

 

[Goat]

Apparently a Telegraph reporter on Twitter reckons Moyes has gone, from "sources close to the club"

Gone home for the day I imagine he means.

 

[meagher94]

Reports are nonsense. SHOCKER!

 

[toffee matt]

It was a fake account, nothing's happened

 

[BoysInBlue]

This is amazing:



Poor Moyes. When you see a video like that, you just wonder how on earth he's going to still be there next season?

 

[BoysInBlue]

"What do you mean, 'we attached the wrong message to the plane'?"

 

[Librarian]

Won't believe until oddschecker confirms