Daveys Greatest Gaffes?

[Gary_Lineker_85/86x3 (stephenneedley@googlemail.co]

Might not be totally moyes...but the club and him are a bit naieve.

Examples - gettin a work permit for eber banaga only to find out he was never gonna come or even knew about it.

Gosling and the handshake of doom.

Wagner love was coming...but his agent lied

I just wonder, If the club would be in a better position now days....IF the Europe ban in the mid 80's had not happened...We may have won The European Cup...86/87...Would Kendal have left if we were going to play in the European cup..I very much doubt it...If we had of won..then just think of the players we could of attracted.

 

[toffeestillidie]

investing in players then not giving them a run in the side

shandy

i'll second the late substitutions comment as well

 

[Brownie]

He is unbelievable good.

 

[BlueLlama]

Not properly lamping Mancicni during their touchline handbags.

Not realising that 451 only works when Cahill is on the pitch.

Failing to address the imbalance in the squad (no natural RM, lots of CMs, no cover at LB)

But that is why he is a man and not quite a God. He is the best manager we have had since Kendall was good (and sober) and without him we may be facing the same fate as Forest or even Sheff Wednesday.

 

[DionDublin]

Not being interested in the celtic job after strachan and mowbury.
Gutted.

 

[davek]

Oh, yeah. I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed that.


It's not a bug, it's a feature. The Moyes blueprint for selling players (post-Rooney) is pretty clear - never announce that you want rid of a player; never agree to the first offer you receive; always drag it out for as long as possible; always claim that you don't have or want to sell the player. Generally, it has worked - the bidders have been hooked and have tended to overpay. I would argue that between Lescott, McFadden, AJ and even Anderson de Silva, Naysmith, S. Davies and Bent, this strategy has generated at least 20 million more than if they had been sold at a "true" value. The downside is not only the short span for getting replacements in, but also the fact that a lot of the players will simply not be sold, thus leading to situations when they will leave on frees or retire. West Ham called his bluff on the Yak, so others may be getting wise to this strategy as well.

I will not consider Moyes's stubbornness as a gaffe, it defines him as a manager. Yes, it makes him far too rigid with his formation and selection; yes, it means that he's unable to make a game-changing substitution. It also means that he's never going to accept that our competitors have more money and better squads, so it's better if we set our targets low. He's probably the only person in the world who saw our squad in 04/05 as capable of finishing in the CL places.

However, his greatest gaffe may be that he has bought into the "best squad in 20 years" hype and he may have squandered years of fiscal prudence for a mad push for the CL this season. Since Lescott's departure, our weekly wages have exploded by (at least) 200 000£/25% without any corresponding increase in results. The TV deals have helped, but there are no indications that our turnover is substantially better. It may turn out that our commercial department has got much better, we may yet qualify for the CL, and when the 09/10 fiscal report comes out this may turn out to be fear-mongering. But right now it appears that we will either have to dismantle the squad after this (or possibly the next) season OR we'll collapse if the next TV deal isn't as good as the present.

My support for the Moyes/Kenwright leadership has always been based on the premise that if/when the football bubble bursts, Everton will be well poised to take the place of at least 3 of the present Sky 4 clubs. Due to Moyes's profligacy this may no longer be the case.

Wages: when we qualified for the CL Qualifying game in 2005 wages stood at £26.7M; the last accounts show it's risen to £43.4M. Of course, when a manager negotiates his own contract to £3M p.a it makes it a little difficult to hold the line against players doing the business. That said, we end up in the league roughly where we are placed in wages tables.

Squad rebuildng: this is the most disheartening point. Moyes has a good base to work from in terms of young talent like Rodwell, Fellaini, Coleman, Duffy, Victor, (apparently) Barkley and solid older players like Baines, Jagielka, Arteta. But there's a huge question mark hanging over the futures/ability of most of the rest: Piennar, Heitinga and the Yak will be out the door soon enough (Yobo virtually is through it); Hibbo, Distin, Bilyaletdinov, Osman, Beckford - are these players really good enough for us?; and players who aren't going to be around forever like Neville, Cahill, Howard. That's the majority of the squad that shouldn't really be here in 18 months to two years. Moyes has a massive job ahead of him.

 

[BigBlueConk]

Getting Steve Round pregnant.

 

[ijjysmith]

God - if 'Davey's Greatest Gaffs' was an actual DVD you would end up slitting your wrists by the end of it!

*removes it from Chrimbo list

 

[Howards tipple]

Letting Donovan get back on a plane to the USA...

 

[heatmeiser]

I don't understand how something commonly worn by schoolgirls and grandmothers, has become a fashionable item of clothing for fully grown males.

How could you?

 

[Summerskin]

How could you?

Mr contradiction himself!

"I hate mainstream I don't want to have anything with pop culture and yet I signed to the biggest rock label at the time and released a very sleek, shiny pop album that sold millions."

Bad tit, Kobain.

 

[johnnydawg68]

I don't understand how something commonly worn by schoolgirls and grandmothers, has become a fashionable item of clothing for fully grown males.



Not judging though. I look like The Undertaker and Jesus had a baby.

Used to wear 'em with t-shirts underneath all the time in college in the 80's. It was kind of a hip thing then. That and "tight rolling" your jeans.

Edit: see picture of Cobain above for confirmation of the look.

 

[Andy M.]

Might not be totally moyes...but the club and him are a bit naieve.

Examples - gettin a work permit for eber banaga only to find out he was never gonna come or even knew about it.

Gosling and the handshake of doom.

Wagner love was coming...but his agent lied

Aw, geez. Sorry, I'm not singling you out, but all these jarg rumours started by Si from NSNO need to die, and die quickly. For whatever reason he has an axe to grind with Kenwright and he doesn't feel constrained by minute details such as the truth of the news his "sources" give him.

Anyway, Banega knew plenty about the deal, there were interviews after the transfer window closed in which he said that basically Emery sat him down and told him that there was no way he was going out on loan to Everton when Valencia needed him. I can't find the one I was thinking of, in which he explained how his agent was working on the deal until the day before the transfer window closed, but here's one in which he discusses the move.

Wagner Love was never coming.

Gosling... it's a chain of events, really, but the two critical ones were aggravating his injury and giving Duffy and Mustafi 15k/week contracts and then offering the same terms to Gosling.

Your basic point stands, though, there are instances in which the club does not give Moyes the full institutional support he would get in a Sky 4 team (bar Liverpool, obviously, because they are/used to be run far worse). However, Moyes has almost unprecedented control over the team, so when it comes to contracts, transfers and team relations (with the exception of the instances in which we simply do not have the cash), the buck has to stop with him.

 

[Neiler]

Oh, yeah. I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed that.


It's not a bug, it's a feature. The Moyes blueprint for selling players (post-Rooney) is pretty clear - never announce that you want rid of a player; never agree to the first offer you receive; always drag it out for as long as possible; always claim that you don't have or want to sell the player. Generally, it has worked - the bidders have been hooked and have tended to overpay. I would argue that between Lescott, McFadden, AJ and even Anderson de Silva, Naysmith, S. Davies and Bent, this strategy has generated at least 20 million more than if they had been sold at a "true" value. The downside is not only the short span for getting replacements in, but also the fact that a lot of the players will simply not be sold, thus leading to situations when they will leave on frees or retire. West Ham called his bluff on the Yak, so others may be getting wise to this strategy as well.

I will not consider Moyes's stubbornness as a gaffe, it defines him as a manager. Yes, it makes him far too rigid with his formation and selection; yes, it means that he's unable to make a game-changing substitution. It also means that he's never going to accept that our competitors have more money and better squads, so it's better if we set our targets low. He's probably the only person in the world who saw our squad in 04/05 as capable of finishing in the CL places.

However, his greatest gaffe may be that he has bought into the "best squad in 20 years" hype and he may have squandered years of fiscal prudence for a mad push for the CL this season. Since Lescott's departure, our weekly wages have exploded by (at least) 200 000£/25% without any corresponding increase in results. The TV deals have helped, but there are no indications that our turnover is substantially better. It may turn out that our commercial department has got much better, we may yet qualify for the CL, and when the 09/10 fiscal report comes out this may turn out to be fear-mongering. But right now it appears that we will either have to dismantle the squad after this (or possibly the next) season OR we'll collapse if the next TV deal isn't as good as the present.

My support for the Moyes/Kenwright leadership has always been based on the premise that if/when the football bubble bursts, Everton will be well poised to take the place of at least 3 of the present Sky 4 clubs. Due to Moyes's profligacy this may no longer be the case.

Thats one of the best posts ive read here in long time + Rep!