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[Bruce Wayne]

She was disgusted over the whole boxing fiasco but she was quick to write a dissertation defending her statements over a child rapist. She's basically playing down the acts of a child rapist. These people have no morals.

The whole debate makes me uneasy tbh. As part of my work I've been exploring the difficulties people with a criminal record have in rebuilding their life upon their release, with this in large part due to the stigma associated with their record. We're in a society whereby punishments are administered for an offense, so surely we should also be a society whereby once that punishment is served that person should be free to live their life? Because it feels like we're saying "you have to serve time in prison, but even when you're released, you're not going to be permitted to do anything at all". Then we wonder why people reoffend, when we've shut off legitimate options for them to lead what we would no doubt regard as a "normal" life.

 

[Walken]

“Facts rather than feelings”

Until it comes to demonising a cis woman who the right wing hog brigade have decided is trans because they naturally produce higher testosterone than most women. In which case facts don’t matter at all

Amazing how their false biology is binary narrative can be moved when it suits them

 

[efcste97]

The whole debate makes me uneasy tbh. As part of my work I've been exploring the difficulties people with a criminal record have in rebuilding their life upon their release, with this in large part due to the stigma associated with their record. We're in a society whereby punishments are administered for an offense, so surely we should also be a society whereby once that punishment is served that person should be free to live their life? Because it feels like we're saying "you have to serve time in prison, but even when you're released, you're not going to be permitted to do anything at all". Then we wonder why people reoffend, when we've shut off legitimate options for them to lead what we would no doubt regard as a "normal" life.

I'm uneasy with a man who was of uni age raping a girl who would've been in school year 7/8.,

This isn't just an office job; he's representing his country on the world stage. Certain crimes are too serious to be overlooked. While he has the right to move on with his life, his criminal record remains for a reason: to protect children.

 

[ChesterBlue]

Amazing how their false biology is binary narrative can be moved when it suits them

It’s almost like human biology is more complicated than just XX or XY chromosomes. I swear these chuds listened to one year 7 science class then checked out.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm uneasy with a man who was of uni age raping a girl who would've been in school year 7/8.,

This isn't just an office job; he's representing his country on the world stage. Certain crimes are too serious to be overlooked. While he has the right to move on with his life, his criminal record remains for a reason: to protect children.

That's not what the law says though. I'm sure if he was going for a job with children the criminal record check would flag it and he'd be denied, but he's playing volleyball. I'm not sure vigilantism is the way to go here. We have the law for a reason.

 

[Rita_Poon]

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[efcste97]

That's not what the law says though. I'm sure if he was going for a job with children the criminal record check would flag it and he'd be denied, but he's playing volleyball. I'm not sure vigilantism is the way to go here. We have the law for a reason.

I'm not advocating for vigilantism. Those who rape children shouldn't be allowed to participate in the biggest sporting events in the world.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm not advocating for vigilantism. Those who rape children shouldn't be allowed to participate in the biggest sporting events in the world.

That is vigilantism. The law says he is. It's you that's arguing otherwise. A guy I know (knew) passed away recently was jailed back in the day for murdering his wife. It seems like he turned a corner while in prison and lived a spotless life for the remainder of it. I'm sure many would say killing your wife also deserves a lifetime of ostracism, even if the law says someone is free to live their life. It's not yours, or my, decision though. We have laws for a reason.

 

[efcste97]

That is vigilantism. The law says he is. It's you that's arguing otherwise. A guy I know (knew) passed away recently was jailed back in the day for murdering his wife. It seems like he turned a corner while in prison and lived a spotless life for the remainder of it. I'm sure many would say killing your wife also deserves a lifetime of ostracism, even if the law says someone is free to live their life. It's not yours, or my, decision though. We have laws for a reason.

It's not up to us to decide I know but If he lived in the UK, there's absolutely no chance he'd be competing for GB right now.
The goal is to enable individuals to live safely and responsibly within society. I'm all for rehabilitation and reintegration into society, I'm not advocating for anyone to spend a lifetime in prision.
The unique environment of sporting events—with its emphasis on role models etc makes it hard for me to justify his inclusion, He's been given quite a lot of media attention and has gave interviews to Dutch media telling his 'story', sickening in my opinion.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's not up to us to decide I know but If he lived in the UK, there's absolutely no chance he'd be competing for GB right now.
The goal is to enable individuals to live safely and responsibly within society. I'm all for rehabilitation and reintegration into society, I'm not advocating for anyone to spend a lifetime in prision.
The unique environment of sporting events—with its emphasis on role models etc makes it hard for me to justify his inclusion, He's been given quite a lot of media attention and has gave interviews to Dutch media telling his 'story', sickening in my opinion.

Seriously, are we looking at athletes as role models? There have been so many that have been awful people now. They're good at the sports they do (and have often been blessed genetically as much as anything). Let's not go all "halo effect" and pretend that they're all wonderful role models.

 

[efcste97]

Seriously, are we looking at athletes as role models? There have been so many that have been awful people now. They're good at the sports they do (and have often been blessed genetically as much as anything). Let's not go all "halo effect" and pretend that they're all wonderful role models.

kids 100% do, i certainty don't

 

[JimmyJeffers]

The whole debate makes me uneasy tbh. As part of my work I've been exploring the difficulties people with a criminal record have in rebuilding their life upon their release, with this in large part due to the stigma associated with their record. We're in a society whereby punishments are administered for an offense, so surely we should also be a society whereby once that punishment is served that person should be free to live their life? Because it feels like we're saying "you have to serve time in prison, but even when you're released, you're not going to be permitted to do anything at all". Then we wonder why people reoffend, when we've shut off legitimate options for them to lead what we would no doubt regard as a "normal" life.

It’s a difficult subject. You’d argue the victim faces a lifetime of trauma whilst it would seem the perpetrator is now walking free.

Someone I know from a small town, killed someone in a fight then a year or so later was released and out on town drinking and going about their day to day. The family of the deceased were obviously very upset about this and personally thought the guy was acting extremely disrespectfully.

Sure the victim of the athlete has been reminded of some traumatic experiences as well and think the guy should have stepped down due to the publicity.

I believe in forgiveness of course, but for many people, they can’t simply rejoin society as though nothing happened.

 

[summerisle]

 

[Goat]

Sigh.

 

[Kurt.]

The whole debate makes me uneasy tbh. As part of my work I've been exploring the difficulties people with a criminal record have in rebuilding their life upon their release, with this in large part due to the stigma associated with their record. We're in a society whereby punishments are administered for an offense, so surely we should also be a society whereby once that punishment is served that person should be free to live their life? Because it feels like we're saying "you have to serve time in prison, but even when you're released, you're not going to be permitted to do anything at all". Then we wonder why people reoffend, when we've shut off legitimate options for them to lead what we would no doubt regard as a "normal" life.

I work for a homeless charity Bruce and one project we run is a prison resettlement programme. I was always aware of stigma and prejudice toward prison leavers but since I’ve been in the role I have now I never realised how bad it was, it’s akin to the old days of no blacks, no Irish, no dogs.