Current Affairs Culture wars & The rise of grifting

[Ghost Rider]

Buddy what is this your 8th or 9th attempt to reinvent yourself on here.

You start of pretending to be a different person.

Eventually people figure you out and you type like you have changed and eventually you fall back into the same old nonsense as we have witnessed in this last week.

I remember your last vocal incarnation in the covid thread when you pretended to be a top admin official in a hospital and thought that meant you were given care Blanche to say anything to get your point across like some immune disease expert. You would brush facts away from anyone that responded to you.

Trying to argue or debate you is like trying to reason with a Liverpool supporter. There just isn't. You will eventually pull the victim card and cry away until your next spawn like this is a game.

You could have picked like you said yourself any group or organization to mention dodgy behavior with regards to charity and taking. But yet again with out research you picked a black based organization to try make it fit whatever fecked up agenda you have.

So an organisation that takes in millions of dollars in donations with a radical political slogan and doesn't disclose where any of the money goes to despite requests to, has former leaders under suspicion of taking said money AND has black Americans questioning whether they actually stand for their rights is a fecked up agenda?

Really?

Wierdly enough last time I posted in this thread I suggested people are replying to the poster not the post. This was after someone defended a documentary 'nothing wrong with that' after black Americans widely condemed it and a contributor to the show used racial slurs.

You have pretty much confirmed that, with your in depth reply about grifting and the subject matter.

There is something you said there though that actually made me laugh.

when you pretended to be a top admin official in a hospital

This sentence alone is far more idiotic than you actually realise. But let's not get into that part.

Fyi none of what you say about me is remotely true or accurate, but let's not let a good character attack get in the way of that eh?

 

[Prevenger17]

So an organisation that takes in millions of dollars in donations with a radical political slogan and doesn't disclose where any of the money goes to despite requests to, has former leaders under suspicion of taking said money AND has black Americans questioning whether they actually stand for their rights is a fecked up agenda?

Really?

Wierdly enough last time I posted in this thread I suggested people are replying to the poster not the post. This was after someone defended a documentary 'nothing wrong with that' after black Americans widely condemed it and a contributor to the show used racial slurs.

You have pretty much confirmed that, with your in depth reply about grifting and the subject matter.

There is something you said there though that actually made me laugh.



This sentence alone is far more idiotic than you actually realise. But let's not get into that part.

Fyi none of what you say about me is remotely true or accurate, but let's not let a good character attack get in the way of that eh?

Ash, we know it's you ffs

 

[BlueTX]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk...ovement-declining-according-new-poll-rcna5746

That's a study after the one you posted that has lower results a few months afterwards. Dropped to 44% within a few months of your article. That's quite a drop in support in such a short space of time.......

(That information is elsewhere as well , in case that source is also not good enough).

Makes me laugh that I was waiting for someone to come along and disagree with this. The problem with right/left wing is that when it's right wing , generally people just go along with it. The minute it's aimed at the other side, people can't wait to try and debunk it. Almost like it can't happen.

the difference between the two BLM is actually a none point, grasping at straws. The latter carries the message , says it speaks for the political movement, Patrice stepped down from this and is now under scrutiny for finances. The latter is also responsible for the activist side of things , which is exactly what we saw in the summer of 2020.

So please tell me what your actual disagreement is here? Or the nonsense @SteveSC mentions?

Seems this latter group who are the activist side of it are claiming millions of dollars in donations, not disclosing where the money is going , the leader left and is under suspicion , not filing tax forms in different states....

What exactly is the difference between for example Jordan Peterson grifting and a activist group making millions of dollars in donations based on their very specifically political message disappear? I can answer that for you, which side of the political line you stand.

@verreauxi noted 80% support for BLM within the AA community in the US. The link you provided supports this. The 44% support you cite is the overall number from the article (meaning all - not just AA persons). Apples and oranges.

If leadership of BLM stole money from the organization, the people on the left of the political spectrum here at GOT will denounce them. However, at this point you have zero evidence of anything being stolen which you emphatically state has, in fact, occurred.

If you cannot see the difference between a decentralized political movement of worldwide scope (BLM) and an individual actor (Jordan Peterson) then that's nothing to do, specifically, with political affiliation. It's something else.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Well the media exposure for a start. BLM might contain grifters but they are very unlikely to get the coverage, access or encouragement to monetise that Peterson, Rogan or other RW controversialists would get. Filching donations is probably the extent of what they are capable of.

I mean for one example Piers Morgan has just got a £50 million deal to spout crap about woke takeovers; he’s also built a career as a “journalist” out of grifting too (see also Farage’s recent activity). Neither of that would happen for someone on the left, never mind BLM.

Could you not argue running an activist group is exposure when it's all over the news , especially when the money is undocumented, claims made both this and last year? That the former leader is under suspicion for siphoning money as well that has never been clarified in the last 10 months?

If (if being the key term) the former leader did in fact use donations off the back of 2020 then that is no different. Grifting money based on political agenda and subsequently further grifting (as I previously shared) is occuring with a radical political message.

Blm has had more exposure than some of the people you have mentioned combined and if they are profiting off the back of it (go back before 2020 and this element of lying and agenda isn't a new concept for the organisation) , they are just as bad as running a podcast.

 

[Charro]

So an organisation that takes in millions of dollars in donations with a radical political slogan and doesn't disclose where any of the money goes to despite requests to, has former leaders under suspicion of taking said money AND has black Americans questioning whether they actually stand for their rights is a fecked up agenda?

Really?

Wierdly enough last time I posted in this thread I suggested people are replying to the poster not the post. This was after someone defended a documentary 'nothing wrong with that' after black Americans widely condemed it and a contributor to the show used racial slurs.

You have pretty much confirmed that, with your in depth reply about grifting and the subject matter.

There is something you said there though that actually made me laugh.



This sentence alone is far more idiotic than you actually realise. But let's not get into that part.

Fyi none of what you say about me is remotely true or accurate, but let's not let a good character attack get in the way of that eh?

Mate, honestly, you need to have a break from the internet.

Go spend some time with your friends and family, appreciate real life and take some time away from the toxic nonsense you're consuming yourself with, it's not healthy.

You're brain will become total mush eventually. BLM, COVID, Russia, you're letting alt-right grifters fry your brain.

 

[SteveSC]

So an organisation that takes in millions of dollars in donations with a radical political slogan and doesn't disclose where any of the money goes to despite requests to, has former leaders under suspicion of taking said money AND has black Americans questioning whether they actually stand for their rights is a fecked up agenda?

Really?

Wierdly enough last time I posted in this thread I suggested people are replying to the poster not the post. This was after someone defended a documentary 'nothing wrong with that' after black Americans widely condemed it and a contributor to the show used racial slurs.

You have pretty much confirmed that, with your in depth reply about grifting and the subject matter.

There is something you said there though that actually made me laugh.



This sentence alone is far more idiotic than you actually realise. But let's not get into that part.

Fyi none of what you say about me is remotely true or accurate, but let's not let a good character attack get in the way of that eh?

What part of I know who you are and I'm not arsed arguing with someone who is the worst chameleon ever did you not pick up on.

Think the vape fumes are screwing your brain buddy.

 

[tsubaki]

Could you not argue running an activist group is exposure when it's all over the news , especially when the money is undocumented, claims made both this and last year? That the former leader is under suspicion for siphoning money as well that has never been clarified in the last 10 months?

If (if being the key term) the former leader did in fact use donations off the back of 2020 then that is no different. Grifting money based on political agenda and subsequently further grifting (as I previously shared) is occuring with a radical political message.

Blm has had more exposure than some of the people you have mentioned combined and if they are profiting off the back of it (go back before 2020 and this element of lying and agenda isn't a new concept for the organisation) , they are just as bad as running a podcast.

Not really, no. Running an activist group is “real” activity and any coverage they get is usually of the group / issue at hand.

There is a big difference between that and having it your job or being employed by the media / an astroturf group / a PR firm to generate controversy and content, which what so many of the grifters are.

 

[Ghost Rider]

@verreauxi noted 80% support for BLM within the AA community in the US. The link you provided supports this. The 44% support you cite is the overall number from the article (meaning all - not just AA persons). Apples and oranges.

If leadership of BLM stole money from the organization, the people on the left of the political spectrum here at GOT will denounce them. However, at this point you have zero evidence of anything being stolen which you emphatically state has, in fact, occurred.

If you cannot see the difference between a decentralized political movement of worldwide scope and an individual actor then that's nothing to do, specifically, with political affiliation. It's something else.

I've already explained the reasons several times now so go up if you want to see exactly what has been laid at BLM doorstep in terms of financial gain.

But guess what? The UK version has similar accusations against them.

BLM is now being investigated in America , Indiana is actively investigating them as of a few weeks ago.

However, nobody will denounce them on here as long as it's me posting about it. My last share proved this when a racist documentary was defended simply because I posted it. But if my words will be dismissed , I'll let others speak for me.

English source , GB news but all people involved are not white.


A left wing news outlet in America



A pastor who actively tries to benefit black communities



Suspended from Amazon charity because of questions of finance



And finally the same thing happening here

https://www-express-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1478708/black-lives-matter-news-bristol-charity-missing-money-police-edward-colston/amp?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16467350611617&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2F1478708%2Fblack-lives-matter-news-bristol-charity-missing-money-police-edward-colston

 

[Ghost Rider]

What part of I know who you are and I'm not arsed arguing with someone who is the worst chameleon ever did you not pick up on.

Think the vape fumes are screwing your brain buddy.

If you knew who I was then that one sentence proves otherwise.

Funny how you can't be arsed arguing about me in a thread that isn't about me and it's in reply to a contribution to the thread.

Can you not see how ridicuous you sound? You can't be arsed arguing about me? Why am I so important to you that it would even be a thing, that you reply to a post and make it about me only to say that? ?

It's pathetic really. A pathetic attempt to rile up a poster because you have nothing to contribute to the subject. Speaks more about you to be honest.

 

[SteveSC]

If you knew who I was then that one sentence proves otherwise.

Funny how you can't be arsed arguing about me in a thread that isn't about me and it's in reply to a contribution to the thread.

Can you not see how ridicuous you sound? You can't be arsed arguing about me? Why am I so important to you that it would even be a thing, that you reply to a post and make it about me only to say that? ?

It's pathetic really. A pathetic attempt to rile up a poster because you have nothing to contribute to the subject. Speaks more about you to be honest.

What's pathetic is a guy who keeps creating different logins and can't change his typing to make himself look different. same misspellings and same tired trope.

You are fooling no one you sad f***

Also Lol on the fox News as your big source ffs Ash you still haven't learned.

 

[Ghost Rider]

What's pathetic is a guy who keeps creating different logins and can't change his typing to make himself look different. same misspellings and same tired trope.

You are fooling no one you sad f***

Also Lol on the fox News as your big source ffs Ash you still haven't learned.

So pastor brooks , someone who is heavily involved in black communities, his opinion doesn't matter?

I've given you two attempts to actually reply to me about the subject you replied to and the fact you are discrediting a black pastors opinion proves you didn't even watch the video nor have anything to contribute to a thread. So why are you in this thread only to talk about me?

It's pathetic. Two opportunities to not act like a child in the school playground but instead you write a lengthy post about me , or what you think of me.

So yes, it's pathetic, the fact you are even remotely arsed to write a lengthy post allegedly about me is pathetic.

 

[SteveSC]

So pastor brooks , someone who is heavily involved in black communities, his opinion doesn't matter?

I've given you two attempts to actually reply to me about the subject you replied to and the fact you are discrediting a black pastors opinion proves you didn't even watch the video nor have anything to contribute to a thread. So why are you in this thread only to talk about me?

It's pathetic. Two opportunities to not act like a child in the school playground but instead you write a lengthy post about me , or what you think of me.

So yes, it's pathetic, the fact you are even remotely arsed to write a lengthy post allegedly about me is pathetic.

Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat

Have you not got the fact that clearly I don't care what you post.

Do you want me to tell you again?

Ship have I once even engaged you in debate in this thread. Not sure I have. Odd man you. Lay of the chemicals dude.

The fact you persist on repeating your point despite me not caring is hilarious and makes you crazy

 

[Ghost Rider]

Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat

Have you not got the fact that clearly I don't care what you post.

Do you want me to tell you again?

Ship have I once even engaged you in debate in this thread. Not sure I have. Odd man you. Lay of the chemicals dude.

The fact you persist on repeating your point despite me not caring is hilarious and makes you crazy

Sounds to me like you were hoping for a reaction and instead it's you swearing and continuing to react?

Looks like it's backfired massively.

Have you not got the fact that clearly I don't care what you post.

But you do care about who I am it seems?

Which is wierd.

 

[Charro]

Multi-million pound company/charity has some questionable people working for it.

So what exactly? People realised long ago that this organisation had some questionable aspects to it but it shouldn't distract from the overall movement.

You're not enlightened, you're just a year behind everyone else.

 

[SteveSC]

Sounds to me like you were hoping for a reaction and instead it's you swearing and continuing to react?

Looks like it's backfired massively.


But you do care about me as a person. Your lengthy post thinking you know me suggests you care quite a bit about me.

Which is wierd.

Not sure you understand how back and forth goes.

You keep replying to me so I'm giving you the courtesy of responding.

The sad fact you missed that I did I never engaged about your actual point other than to call you out for the weird sad sack that you are is telling.

But hey pretend like you did in you last several identities that you are savy and with it.

Amazing how internet trolls never get that. They think someone giving them a response means they care or they are riled up. Sad sacks that don't know how to talk to folk in real life I guess.

Anyway Ash I've had my fun enjoy destroying your lungs with chemicals. To ignore you go.