Current Affairs Critically ill man is former Russian spy

[SteveSC]

One day, when a Russian fleet sails around the western coast of Ireland and decides that it quite fancies stopping off and staying in Galway for a while, without your permission, on whose support will you look for ? Obviously not being in NATO you wouldn’t dream of asking them

So you think when Brexit happens that the British government will stop protecting the British isles and Irish waters including the Atlantic waters off the west coast of Ireland?

You realise that both the Irish and British government have an agreement for British support right? The RAF responds to air threats and the Navy to threats in the water. It's been like that for a long time and i don't see it changing.

When those bear bombers flew over Ireland by the Russian military the RAF scrambled. When those ships were awfully close to Donegal that one year the British navy and the RAF responded. There have been a multitude of cases involving support.

Britain would not want to be flanked by any threat to them also.

You scenarios are a bit mad mate honestly. You think they will rip up every agreement they have with EU nations currently? Isn't the point that your government wants to renegotiate and keep said deals but still exit the EU?

 

[peteblue]

So you think when Brexit happens that the British government will stop protecting the British isles and Irish waters including the Atlantic waters off the west coast of Ireland?

You realise that both the Irish and British government have an agreement for British support right? The RAF responds to air threats and the Navy to threats in the water. It's been like that for a long time and i don't see it changing.

When those bear bombers flew over Ireland by the Russian military the RAF scrambled. When those ships were awfully close to Donegal that one year the British navy and the RAF responded. There have been a multitude of cases involving support.

Britain would not want to be flanked by any threat to them also.

You scenarios are a bit mad mate honestly. You think they will rip up every agreement they have with EU nations currently? Isn't the point that your government wants to renegotiate and keep said deals but still exit the EU?

I was making a similar point.....

 

[SteveSC]

I was making a similar point.....

Your right i misread your post sorry.

I do hope that the UK and Ireland maintain that arrangement. I really hope bitterness and silliness doesn't get in the way. Seen as its in the best interests of both nations.

I do agree with you (although not entirely) that the EU military has a lot to live up to especially the French haha!! I trust they have some sort of action plan and directive going forth for the protection of its members but yeah the French haha!!

 

[electricblue]

One day, when a Russian fleet sails around the western coast of Ireland and decides that it quite fancies stopping off and staying in Galway for a while, without your permission, on whose support will you look for ? Obviously not being in NATO you wouldn’t dream of asking them, so I wonder what your EU friends would do. No doubt one or two would helpfully point out that you should indeed have joined NATO, but alas it’s too late. Obviously within the day or so, Northern Ireland would be awash with British troops and hardware, but not being in the EU we couldn’t go over the hard border helpfully insisted on by the EU to help, so who would ?

Now obviously this would never happen, it just couldn’t or could it. So before you enjoy, or not, whether the EU would ever support the U.K. in the future, you might just want to reflect upon your own security, having had a free ride all these years......

Just kidding of course, but what if it really happened........

The Russians are not going to invade a neutral country so your scenario is complete and utter tosh. Our future is in the EU.

 

[peteblue]

Your right i misread your post sorry.

I do hope that the UK and Ireland maintain that arrangement. I really hope bitterness and silliness doesn't get in the way. Seen as its in the best interests of both nations.

I do agree with you (although not entirely) that the EU military has a lot to live up to especially the French haha!! I trust they have some sort of action plan and directive going forth for the protection of its members but yeah the French haha!!

Actually I have a lot of time for the French military, once we have left the EU they will be the best that the EU can offer. The U.K. and France have good working relationships and together are a formidable fighting force on land, Sea, and in the Air. My fear for France is that once we have left the EU then they will ultimately lose their place at the UNSC because eventually the EU will take its place. Whatever happens the ROI will remain ‘neutral’ and pay nothing, while everyone else guarantees their ultimate security......

 

[peteblue]

The Russians are not going to invade a neutral country so your scenario is complete and utter tosh. Our future is in the EU.

The Ukraine and Crimea were neutral to all intents and purposes......

 

[SteveSC]

Actually I have a lot of time for the French military, once we have left the EU they will be the best that the EU can offer. The U.K. and France have good working relationships and together are a formidable fighting force on land, Sea, and in the Air. My fear for France is that once we have left the EU then they will ultimately lose their place at the UNSC because eventually the EU will take its place. Whatever happens the ROI will remain ‘neutral’ and pay nothing, while everyone else guarantees their ultimate security......

Yeah i do too i was being sarcastic. It was a bit of a WWII surrender type of humor and if i were to pick it would be the British instead.

 

[electricblue]

The Ukraine and Crimea were neutral to all intents and purposes......

Except that they are Russia's neighbours and were part of the Soviet Union so your comparison is irrelevant.

The only country we are at risk of being invaded by is yours, as depicted in your post. And there is no chance of that happening (yet again) either.

 

[electricblue]

Whatever happens the ROI will remain ‘neutral’ and pay nothing, while everyone else guarantees their ultimate security......

Another sly dig at Ireland. You know well as I do that the only security the UK is concerned about is their own. It just happens that as Ireland is your nearest neigbour it in the UK's interest to keep an eye on it's western side. If this helps our security so be it, but don't expect us to pay for it as well.

 

[PhilM]

The Russians are not going to invade a neutral country so your scenario is complete and utter tosh. Our future is in the EU.

It's more unlikely than perhaps some (including the press) may want to champion, however the Baltic states believe their is a genuine threat.

While some form of border conflict is more likely than any form of invasion, NATO are rightfully concerned about Russian's continuing plans.

Hence why the likes of Estonia and Latvia are readily preparing their contingency plans, including extending their military, in face of the threat.

And while you're correct that Ukraine, Crimea and Georgia are all ex-Soviet states, to imply they're not now neutral states is slightly perplexing.

 

[peteblue]

Another sly dig at Ireland. You know well as I do that the only security the UK is concerned about is their own. It just happens that as Ireland is your nearest neigbour it in the UK's interest to keep an eye on it's western side. If this helps our security so be it, but don't expect us to pay for it as well.

I would never expect you to pay for anything, mind you it’ll be interesting to see how the EU budget changes once we’ve left........

 

[Sir Alan]

Putin won’t let this end here so my question to the GOT experts what shall we expect Vlad the lad to do next?

 

[SteveSC]

It's more unlikely than perhaps some (including the press) may want to champion, however the Baltic states believe their is a genuine threat.

While some form of border conflict is more likely than any form of invasion, NATO are rightfully concerned about Russian's continuing plans.

Hence why the likes of Estonia and Latvia are readily preparing their contingency plans, including extending their military, in face of the threat.

And while you're correct that Ukraine, Crimea and Georgia are all ex-Soviet states, to imply they're not now neutral states is slightly perplexing t.

He means neutral as in the don't get involved in any war and their military would be for defense only. I think you mean peaceful as in there are no active wars and they are at peace with their neighbours and former foe.

There are a list of defined neutral countries if you google neutral countries you will find it. Ireland, the Swiss and the Swedes are the most well known. But there is a list of say 20 or so countries who declare neutrality.

The Hague convention in 1907 they drew a list of stipulations if you wanted to remain neutral you abide by said rules.

It meant that you didn't take sides in war and aggressive countries should no see you as a threat and in theory leave you alone. You also do not allow any foreign military to use your land during war.

There is other terminology. Like i said google it several pages including wiki.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Hmmm it’s now being reported that Skripal and his daughter both turned off their GPS on their smartphones immediately after visiting the graveyard and for 3.5 hours after.

Question is why? Both phones at the same time - somethings not right with this. Standard Spy practice to turn your phones off and remove the batteries if your involved in a meet. I’ve watched enough of spooks and homeland to know that much.

My theory has now evolved to a point where old Skripal reached out to Vlad asking to come home.

Vlad took the opportunity to exact a bit of revenge and setup a meet. I reckon his daughter was the go-between (little did she or her dad know that they were being setup).

I’m still not sure how they did the deadly deed but I’m fairly sure they met with him and his daughter at the cemetery.

Did they use this meeting to lure him out of his house so that they could plant the chemical agent there? That’s my guess.

Christ this makes John Le Carre’s work look lame.

 

[electricblue]

It's more unlikely than perhaps some (including the press) may want to champion, however the Baltic states believe their is a genuine threat.

While some form of border conflict is more likely than any form of invasion, NATO are rightfully concerned about Russian's continuing plans.

Hence why the likes of Estonia and Latvia are readily preparing their contingency plans, including extending their military, in face of the threat.

And while you're correct that Ukraine, Crimea and Georgia are all ex-Soviet states, to imply they're not now neutral states is slightly perplexing.

I didn't imply that they are not now neutral states at all. I said that there was a big difference between their position as Russia's former colonies (now neighbours) and Ireland which is neither.

And what Steve said - neutral as in no military alliances.