Current Affairs Critically ill man is former Russian spy

[NilSatisOptimum]

Look at your own house first mate.

Personally speaking ours is the lesser of the two evils, but there does appear to be coming together.

 

[bluestevon]

Personally speaking ours is the lesser of the two evils, but there does appear to be coming together.

Funny thing is mate - most Russians i know think exactly the same thing about theirs too.

 

[Tubey]

Even stranger that they do it to a bloke they wanted dead so much that they tried and imprisoned him and the let him leave after about four years to Britain in a prisoner exchange, common sense alone would suggest if they wanted him dead they could have done so at any point.

Common sense would also suggest that they regarded him as no risk, threat and so why would they go to this extreme years after to do something...

To send the message that you don't mess with them, regardless of where in the world you are, because you're never safe.

So they murder a soft, comparatively well-known target in a way that they know will get media attention.

I'm pretty sure they're not that arsed if he lives or dies really. It's the message they care about, not the end result.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Good news about the policeman. If the agent is rare it should make it easier to narrow down the suspects.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43326734
A police officer, who was in intensive care, is now "stable and conscious", Wiltshire's chief constable said.
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A source familiar with the investigation told the BBC the agent was likely to be rarer than the Sarin gas thought to have been used in Syria and in an attack on the Tokyo subway in 1995.And it was said not to be VX - the nerve agent used to kill the half brother of the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un in Malaysia last year. Earlier, Ms Rudd told the BBC the nerve agent used in the poisoning was "very rare".

 

[Armaghtoffee]

The Russians don't respect any other states sovereignty. When I say Russians I'm referring to the government I don't want people think I'm condemning a people.

They don't respect the UN. They don't respect anything. They deserve some real sanctions. You can't go around actively bypassing UN sanctions on NK, invade Ukraine/Crimea, Syria is a mess but I don't think they are to blame for that. They certainly haven't helped.

And you certainly can't go around killing people in other countries borders like this. A message needs to be sent through UN sanctions.

Extraordinary rendition?

Any opinion?

 

[bluestevon]

To send the message that you don't mess with them, regardless of where in the world you are, because you're never safe.

So they murder a soft, comparatively well-known target in a way that they know will get media attention.

I'm pretty sure they're not that arsed if he lives or dies really. It's the message they care about, not the end result.

Thing is mate, on one hand people say the Russians don't care what people think about them, on the other they are doing high profile actions which by the nature of the intent would suggest they do care about outward opinions?

I'll illustrate a point about media coverage and bias in the west, remember the plane shot down in Ukraine, blamed instantly and for weeks in Russia, not strange that after the investigation that subject seemed to disappear from western media coverage without any conclusion, you not think that unusual if it really was so evident they did it?

Now they are attempting to assassinate russian traitors in the UK, but the fact they where so not bothered about the bloke they had him in jail and released him in a prisoner exchange to go to the UK goes unmentioned, as does why they'd then decide they needed him dead years later.

The answer to both seems to be not evidence or logic or even common sense derived, but simply western media and politicians saying, 'because they're Russians'

 

[bluestevon]

Extraordinary rendition?

Any opinion?

Protecting freedom.

Same as why they can overthrow democratically elected leaders, same reason they can bomb countries with no UN resolution, same reason they can arm friendly dictators, or support a country like Israel which is in breech of countless UN resolutions, same reason they can create and arm 'freedom fighters' only to then years later declare them terrorists and invade countries to stop them.

All in the name of democracy (long as they don't elected someone the Americans dissaprove of) and freedom (unless you decide to freely choose to not agree with the USA),

 

[tsubaki]

Thing is mate, on one hand people say the Russians don't care what people think about them, on the other they are doing high profile actions which by the nature of the intent would suggest they do care about outward opinions?

I'll illustrate a point about media coverage and bias in the west, remember the plane shot down in Ukraine, blamed instantly and for weeks in Russia, not strange that after the investigation that subject seemed to disappear from western media coverage without any conclusion, you not think that unusual if it really was so evident they did it?

Now they are attempting to assassinate russian traitors in the UK, but the fact they where so not bothered about the bloke they had him in jail and released him in a prisoner exchange to go to the UK goes unmentioned, as does why they'd then decide they needed him dead years later.

The answer to both seems to be not evidence or logic or even common sense derived, but simply western media and politicians saying, 'because they're Russians'

It didn't "disappear from western media coverage without any conclusion", the conclusion was the Russians shot it down. As for this, I think the confusion that the West has gotten into is that this is Russia reasserting itself, that it is becoming more of a global player etc etc. This probably a deliberate confusion in that its beneficial for the West (because they get to spend money on the military and security and talk about interference and needing to stop them but with a more reasonable enemy than al-Qaeda or IS were) and for Putin because it is why he is doing things like this in the first place.

The reality is that Russia is in the worst strategic position its been in for a hundred years; it is surrounded by states that are either enemies or indifferent to it, and the old trick of playing European powers off against one another is no longer available. Even "successes" like Crimea and the Donbass were failures, or at least would be seen as such if previous regimes had lost control of the rest of Ukraine to the West.

All he has left is spectaculars like this, which at least guarantee days and days of coverage in lazy Western media.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

My spider senses are twitching here.

1. The copper who was affected by the Nerve Agent has been reported in the media as a "first responder". Hmmm he is a Detective Sgt, not your average plod on the beat. So why would he be on scene first for a report of a couple incapacitated on a park bench?

2. Funny that this happened in Salisbury - right around the corner from the MOD Chemical weapons agency at Porton Down.

The Truth is out there!

 

[davek]

The propaganda BS inflating this case is unreal. In all likelihood it was probably done by the British. Do they really expect anyone but the feeble minded to fall for this? It's North Korea level sophistication.

The anti-Russian mania in the media is comical. Try as they might the British public wont be swayed by the British Establishment's ham-fisted vendetta toward Moscow. Trying to discredit and undermine the Russians in preparation for the summer WC is a forlorn task.

I really hope the government try and pull England out of it. That would be superb.

 

[PhilM]

My spider senses are twitching here.

1. The copper who was affected by the Nerve Agent has been reported in the media as a "first responder". Hmmm he is a Detective Sgt, not your average plod on the beat. So why would he be on scene first for a report of a couple incapacitated on a park bench?

2. Funny that this happened in Salisbury - right around the corner from the MOD Chemical weapons agency at Porton Down.

The Truth is out there!

Ignore the news reports - he was the first person to search his home and this is where the contamination has most probably occurred.

Eye will be on the daughter, travelling from Russia the day before, as a potential carrier, as it's clearly been done sloppily (become airborne).

Not saying she'll have carried it deliberately - if you get me.

 

[Jib in lad]

Amber Rudd what a joke she is , cringe.

 

[Del-boy]

They know they can do what they want and get away with it. I believe Putin is quoted as saying something along the lines of “All traitors must die”. It’s hardly surprising people are pointing the finger at them.

Probably had a hand in that British spy fella who was found dead in London stuffed in a suitcase a few years back. He was investigating Russia at the time.

 

[davek]

Amber Rudd what a joke she is , cringe.

An absolute buffoon. Her CV shows she was a little rich girl indulged with a seat on the board of the family business which was liquidated.

Perfect training for a Home Secretary.

 

[Socrates]

To me it's quite obviously a ramping up of the Red Scare I mentioned a short while back.

They are at it in America to an even greater extent. Accusing them of interfering with their already corrupt election system.

Not only is it part of a campaign to discredit anyone on the left of the political spectrum, it is to manufacture consent in order to ramp up the military and security forces, allowing the government to spend even more money on "defence".
Someone will end up getting rich off the back of this for sure. Or even richer, I should say.