Yep, that’s the point in a nutshell.
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Chris O'Connor
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England star batsman Joe Root turning his arm over and taking 5 wickets for 8 runs on the second day of a test match says it all for me.
Part time bowler Joe Root shouldn't be unplayable on the second day of a test match, this isn't what test cricket should be about. This was like a pitch dug up from some dodgy village green somewhere and transplanted into the new stadium for an eagerly anticipated test match in front of a potential if not practical 110,000 capacity.
Wickets like these kill test cricket just as surely as the flat roads do in the reverse way. It should be an even contest between bat and ball.
Any more wickets like this and test cricket will die - you can see matches like this in third XI club cricket - they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it tbh.
Part time bowler Joe Root shouldn't be unplayable on the second day of a test match, this isn't what test cricket should be about. This was like a pitch dug up from some dodgy village green somewhere and transplanted into the new stadium for an eagerly anticipated test match in front of a potential if not practical 110,000 capacity.
Wickets like these kill test cricket just as surely as the flat roads do in the reverse way. It should be an even contest between bat and ball.
Any more wickets like this and test cricket will die - you can see matches like this in third XI club cricket - they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it tbh.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
Indian prime minister Mohdi was formerly governor of this province, it was he who was largely responsible for this stadium getting built, one that now carries his name.
You would have to be more than a little naive or have an sbsolutely extraordinary faith in the honesty and integrity of all the officials involved if you think there will be any comeback at all about this wicket. The match referee and all umpire's are Indian they're not going to want to irk their cricket loving prime minister. The all powerful and omnipotent BCCI know anything snd everything about the inner workings and appointment of officials, its influence is everywhere, complain and lose your job - no thanks. Kohli got off with constant haranguing of an umpire in the last one, the third umpire's actions here were laughable in the blatant varying attention given to dismissals (and let's face it) more than a hint of home town bias in his rulings.
This test wasn't lost because of the officials or it being played on the most dire wicket anywhere this century, but it can't just be brushed under the carpet and everything just forgotten about. It might be a good time to give a warning as it'll just be completely lost under all the fuss about the poor performance from the players. If they all get off scot free, noone will complain - it'll be buried under the wailing and gnashing of teeth in the England dressing room.
The result of this test can safely be concluded as
Dire wicket 1 Cricket 0
You would have to be more than a little naive or have an sbsolutely extraordinary faith in the honesty and integrity of all the officials involved if you think there will be any comeback at all about this wicket. The match referee and all umpire's are Indian they're not going to want to irk their cricket loving prime minister. The all powerful and omnipotent BCCI know anything snd everything about the inner workings and appointment of officials, its influence is everywhere, complain and lose your job - no thanks. Kohli got off with constant haranguing of an umpire in the last one, the third umpire's actions here were laughable in the blatant varying attention given to dismissals (and let's face it) more than a hint of home town bias in his rulings.
This test wasn't lost because of the officials or it being played on the most dire wicket anywhere this century, but it can't just be brushed under the carpet and everything just forgotten about. It might be a good time to give a warning as it'll just be completely lost under all the fuss about the poor performance from the players. If they all get off scot free, noone will complain - it'll be buried under the wailing and gnashing of teeth in the England dressing room.
The result of this test can safely be concluded as
Dire wicket 1 Cricket 0
At the end of the first days play, Michael Vaughan said 'they might as well be playing on the beach'. When someone who has spent most of their life playing cricket at the top level says that, then you know its a bad pitch.
The next time India come over here we should prepare the greenest pitches possible and play five seamers. It works both ways.
The next time India come over here we should prepare the greenest pitches possible and play five seamers. It works both ways.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
(bluerinse commented on TEF, this made a lot of sense to me.... its copied in so I'll edit for any language within the ten mins given although not sure there is any tbh)
'One thing that gets on my tits is the partisan commentary we've been getting from the Indian TV feed.
It's like Pravda in that commentary box. So far from neutral you can barely believe your ears at times. At least in the first two tests we had Mark Butcher who was excellent in not being shy to speak out against some of the tripe we saw from the third umpire, that bat pad decision when they didn't even play it on to see what England were appealing for - lol. Replacing him with Graeme Swann is a big comedown.
99% of the time I like listening to Suny Gavaskar but he let himself down in this test, going after Stokes for claiming that catch and having his head in the sand about the woeful pitch they served up.
It made me laugh Gavaskar was going on about nobody ever talking about the home conditions when Stuart Broad took 8-15 against Australia, acting like that was a minefield, which was somehow just as bad, if not worse, than the track for that last test. What Suny didn't mention was England made over 300 in reply to Australia at Trent Bridge and the game went 4 days (iirc) - so clearly, it wasn't that bad a track at all.
England got bowled out for 112 on this and India couldn't even make 150 in their first innings, withMutiah Murilitheran Joe Root taking 5 wickets for 8 runs against India, no less. If that doesn't scream alarm bells, I don't know what does.
2 day tests are just not cricket and it's as simple as that. Test matches are about the mental battle, showing the patience, grinding it out, chipping away, working hard for runs and working hard for wickets - they're not about bang, bang, bang wickets galore. Every now and then you'll get collapses, I know that only too well following England, but that even happens on good batting tracks sometimes. This one was just a complete joke.
I'm fine to hold my hands up and say England didn't deserve anything out of the test, we were utter sh*te with the bat especially first innings collapsing from a decent start 74-2 to be all out for 112, but none the less, that track was indefensible. There was still a good 2 hours of play left when the game was over on day 2. It wasn't like the test even threatened getting to day 3.
Pitches in the subcontinent usually play like we saw in the first test... Flat on day 1, flat until the evening of day 2 when it starts to go a wee bit, day 3 there's a little something there but you can still make runs on it, day 4 there's definitely gremlins coming through and day 5 it gets unplayable. That's fine. You can argue the toss is too important in these games - but at least you get a few days entertainment out of it, both teams can make some runs on it. You get times when the bat is on top and times when the ball is on top.
What we just saw was historically bad.'
'One thing that gets on my tits is the partisan commentary we've been getting from the Indian TV feed.
It's like Pravda in that commentary box. So far from neutral you can barely believe your ears at times. At least in the first two tests we had Mark Butcher who was excellent in not being shy to speak out against some of the tripe we saw from the third umpire, that bat pad decision when they didn't even play it on to see what England were appealing for - lol. Replacing him with Graeme Swann is a big comedown.
99% of the time I like listening to Suny Gavaskar but he let himself down in this test, going after Stokes for claiming that catch and having his head in the sand about the woeful pitch they served up.
It made me laugh Gavaskar was going on about nobody ever talking about the home conditions when Stuart Broad took 8-15 against Australia, acting like that was a minefield, which was somehow just as bad, if not worse, than the track for that last test. What Suny didn't mention was England made over 300 in reply to Australia at Trent Bridge and the game went 4 days (iirc) - so clearly, it wasn't that bad a track at all.
England got bowled out for 112 on this and India couldn't even make 150 in their first innings, with
2 day tests are just not cricket and it's as simple as that. Test matches are about the mental battle, showing the patience, grinding it out, chipping away, working hard for runs and working hard for wickets - they're not about bang, bang, bang wickets galore. Every now and then you'll get collapses, I know that only too well following England, but that even happens on good batting tracks sometimes. This one was just a complete joke.
I'm fine to hold my hands up and say England didn't deserve anything out of the test, we were utter sh*te with the bat especially first innings collapsing from a decent start 74-2 to be all out for 112, but none the less, that track was indefensible. There was still a good 2 hours of play left when the game was over on day 2. It wasn't like the test even threatened getting to day 3.
Pitches in the subcontinent usually play like we saw in the first test... Flat on day 1, flat until the evening of day 2 when it starts to go a wee bit, day 3 there's a little something there but you can still make runs on it, day 4 there's definitely gremlins coming through and day 5 it gets unplayable. That's fine. You can argue the toss is too important in these games - but at least you get a few days entertainment out of it, both teams can make some runs on it. You get times when the bat is on top and times when the ball is on top.
What we just saw was historically bad.'
I've always said it's the same for both sides when pitches are criticised, but this one was disgraceful. Kholi knew exactly what his team was getting and had
his spinners on in the first session of day one. I'm not saying that hasn't happened before, but I don't remember it.
England's team selection was hard to understand, but in any event it was a very poor Test match wicket.
his spinners on in the first session of day one. I'm not saying that hasn't happened before, but I don't remember it.
England's team selection was hard to understand, but in any event it was a very poor Test match wicket.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
If you've got a spare 18 minutes . . .
What on Earth is Crawley thinking there? Idiot
big nev lookalike
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Good to see Stokes and Bairstow playing some shots after that poor start.
WTF are they appealing for there? DRS desperate to give it out.
I think I said in the previous match he played, I like the look of Lawrence, and he has played very well so far here. It's not easy at all, but he's having a right good go. Looks to have something about him.
Just not enough runs again. A real lack of intent to score and rotate the strike. 20s and 30s not good enough.
