Cricket

[Chris O'Connor]

I think Malan will not be needed unfortunately, as you say if they need such a player Root- with his off spinners will get the nod.

They obviously want Buttler, Roy, Bairstow, Stokes, Morgan to be a top 5 and 1 other. Maybe Root although from the bits I've seen of him I really like Tom Banton, he would be my 6th batsman. It's mad that a player of Roots quality, never mind Malans could be left out.

The England side, over the last 3-4 years in one day cricket have almost become Australiaeqsue in terms of how they were in test cricket 15 years or so ago. They had a first 11 with 5 or 6 world class players who'd get into any team and could win a game on their own. You then also have lads who come in as 2nd choice (such as Malan, Banton to a degree Root) who would also get into most teams and would be a solid player for them. I remember Australia were like that, you'd see ladslike Mcgill, or Bichel or say Darren Lehman with the bat who would probably have got 100 tests were they English.

You just expect England to win really, it' a great squad with amazing depth. Even missing key players, you still have Bairstow/Morgan who are world class, and the rest of the line up are very solid.

Agreed, ex Lancs man and now top coach - Stuart Law and Michael Bevan being two more too

I think the bowling resources, without the likes of Archer, Wood and Woakes are suffering more tbf atm, the reserve guys just haven't been able to get their lines and lengths right as of yet, perhaps trying too many variations just too early as well. A bit of rustiness could well be a big contributing factor and Chris Jordan, a first choice, would normally be one of the mainstays but was very poor and couldn't get it right. Tbf on Chris he's just rushed back in from injury and possibly isn't anywhere near really.

 

[catcherintherye]

Agreed, ex Lancs man and now top coach - Stuart Law and Michael Bevan being two more too

I think the bowling resources, without the likes of Archer, Wood and Woakes are suffering more tbf atm, the reserve guys just haven't been able to get their lines and lengths right as of yet, perhaps trying too many variations just too early as well. A bit of rustiness could well be a big contributing factor and Chris Jordan, a first choice, would normally be one of the mainstays but was very poor and couldn't get it right. Tbf on Chris he's just rushed back in from injury and possibly isn't anywhere near really.

Yes I was going to say about Law and Bevan. In that time you always sensed Australia could keep 2-3 of their stars, play 7 or 8 of their second string and still defeat England with some to spare. I get the same feeling with this England team.

As for the bowling, while it's good the strength to me is the batting. I have mentioned 6 or 7 world class batsman in the game. I'm not sure we are quite that level with the bowling. This far Mahmood hasn't inked in a place. I'll be frank- I don't see it with Curran. I like Jordan, fantastic death bowler, you probably think he, Archer and Wood will be the first choices. There is an issue of managing workload though.

 

[Blue Shoes]

Eoin morgan - England's greatest ever limited overs player, anybody disagree?

 

[PITA]

Didn't think Rashid bowled at all well Chris - a mixture of long hops and full tosses from what I saw; but then again they are often the balls that get wickets in T20.

Morgan is such a clean hitter of the ball.

As with the Test matches, the unsung hero of the game was the Old Trafford groundsman for producing a perfect T20 pitch. I suspect whichever team batted second would have chased down the target!

Michael Vaughan suffers from a serious case of verbal diarrhoea.

Michael Vaughan has a lot in common with many posters on this thread. I don’t know why people don’t just watch the game and comment afterwards. It would make many look a lot less clueless.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Eoin morgan - England's greatest ever limited overs player, anybody disagree?

I think Neil Fairbrother would have given him more than a run for his money. If he'd been born 15-20 years later, he'd have been a world star the way limited overs cricket has evolved. Having said that you have to hand it to Morgan. Absolutely superb at the format.

 

[Blue Shoes]

Yes I was going to say about Law and Bevan. In that time you always sensed Australia could keep 2-3 of their stars, play 7 or 8 of their second string and still defeat England with some to spare. I get the same feeling with this England team.

As for the bowling, while it's good the strength to me is the batting. I have mentioned 6 or 7 world class batsman in the game. I'm not sure we are quite that level with the bowling. This far Mahmood hasn't inked in a place. I'll be frank- I don't see it with Curran. I like Jordan, fantastic death bowler, you probably think he, Archer and Wood will be the first choices. There is an issue of managing workload though.

I can't pick the bowlers for the world cup, tom curran should be nowhere near though. Archer, rashid and stokes are nailed on, but the rest? They may go with ali as they want two spinners and he can be a match winner but he just seems a massive liability right now.

I still think sam curran with his skiddy action is perfect for t20, especially in asia, thoae darting balls are hard to hit off, hence why malinga was so successful. He's also a golden arm and a terrific batsmen. I like Jordan, he's the death bowler, the issue being he goes for a lot in his first two. I'm not sure on wood, he just goes for too many runs. Willey is also very canny and you'd imagine woakes will be in the frame.

So many options though, whereas the batting is pretty much set in stone, with banton maybe displacing Roy if he can't find form. I'd be a tad disappointed if they go with root, just keep him focused on test and odi's for me.

 

[Blue Shoes]

I think Neil Fairbrother would have given him more than a run for his money. If he'd been born 15-20 years later, he'd have been a world star the way limited overs cricket has evolved. Having said that you have to hand it to Morgan. Absolutely superb at the format.

Yeah fairbrother would be up there with Botham and pietersen imo. Tbf there's not an awful lot of competition, but everything about Morgan is class.

 

[Blue Shoes]

I know what you mean tbf. T20 can be so unfair, often the good stuff goes for six. I suppose when you know it's giving little to the bowler and the batsmen has to go for it of every ball, the old liqourice all sorts mixture of good and rubbish works as well as anything else, the end result of 2-32 was decent anyway.

The bowlers need to seriously work on getting their lengths right although after England's reply it was both sides bowlers who looked as if they'd rather be somewhere else today lol

They need to practice bowling full, i alluded to him earlier that malinga was the best, mainly because he got his yorkers spot on. England seem to like picking these bowlers like curran because he has loads of variations, but he doesn't execute any of them well enough, so it's futile. The perfect yorker is almost impossible to get away no matter if you know its coming or not, we seem a bit scared to bowl them and when we do they're rank full tosses dispatched into the stands. Better of practicing them instead of having four slower balls imo

 

[Blue Shoes]

Think they said malan has 7 50's in 12 innings, he's a shoe in for me.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Yes I was going to say about Law and Bevan. In that time you always sensed Australia could keep 2-3 of their stars, play 7 or 8 of their second string and still defeat England with some to spare. I get the same feeling with this England team.

As for the bowling, while it's good the strength to me is the batting. I have mentioned 6 or 7 world class batsman in the game. I'm not sure we are quite that level with the bowling. This far Mahmood hasn't inked in a place. I'll be frank- I don't see it with Curran. I like Jordan, fantastic death bowler, you probably think he, Archer and Wood will be the first choices. There is an issue of managing workload though.

No far from it I see Jordan as being one of the first names..

Very provisional but along the lines of Roy, Buttler, Bairstow, Morgan, Stokes, Root, Woakes, Jordan, Archer, Rashid, Wood is their strongest in this country.

As the T20 World Cup is next in India, another spinner for a seamer would be the way. Moeen is in prime position to be the extra spinner but would need to be better than he's showing right now.

Agree on Malan his relatively slow starts can be a serious handicap in this format, even for an anchor and Root looks more likely to get the role. The batting order would have to be adjusted accordingly.

 

[catcherintherye]

No far from I see Jordan as being one of the first names..

Very provisional but Long the lines of Roy, Buttler, Bairstow, Morgan, Stokes, Root, Woakes, Jordan, Archer, Rashid, Wood is their strongest in this country.

As the T20 World Cup is next in India, another spinner for a seamer would be the way. Moeen is in prime position to be the extra spinner but would need to be better than he's showing right now

I do find some of the criticism of Moeen always to be a little unusual. He definately goes for me, a strike rate of 130+ plus can bowl, thats a big plus. His IPL form is devastating as well.

In terms of the 3rd spinner, I think it's a good option though I'm unsure who that may be. I don't know much much t20 Bess has played, but he has a good profile for it. It's another reason why they may consider Root perhaps?

 

[Chris O'Connor]

I do find some of the criticism of Moeen always to be a little unusual. He definately goes for me, a strike rate of 130+ plus can bowl, thats a big plus. His IPL form is devastating as well.

In terms of the 3rd spinner, I think it's a good option though I'm unsure who that may be. I don't know much much t20 Bess has played, but he has a good profile for it. It's another reason why they may consider Root perhaps?

Moeen definitely goes if anywhere near his past form but he's been going through a tougher time in the last year or so and given up test cricket, at least for a break.His form is the only worry so while his record is exemplary that reflects a great career, my feeling is he may be on the wrong side of his career path and his powers waining especially with the bat, but lately the ball too.

 

[catcherintherye]

Moeen definitely goes if anywhere near his past form but he's been going through a tougher time in the last year or so and given up test cricket, at least for a break.His form is the only worry so while his record is exemplary that reflects a great career, my feeling is he may be on the wrong side of his career path and his powers waining especially with the bat, but lately the ball too.

Yes probably all true, he is on the decline, but he's so far ahead of other options in that area I think he's still in with a bit to go. Thinking of who could go, I mean Matt Parkinson is the only one that jumps out, or Bess. If the World Cup was 2 years away I'd think maybe, but at this stage it's very hard to see Moeen not going.

 

[Blue Shoes]

T20 and odi squad's announced, as expected really. No stokes or roy, but all the test players return.

Mahmood on reserve list for both, with livingstone reserve in t20 & denly (why?) reserve for odi team.

Gregory not even making the reserve list from yesterday's team whilst both curran brothers are in both teams, here's hoping sam plays in both. Think he's the natural successor for plunkett in the odi team, has the same ability to get crucial wickets in the middle overs and strengthens the batting.

England Men's squads for Australia IT20 and ODI series named

Vitality IT20s and Royal London Series will both be played behind closed doors at the Ageas Bowl and Emirates Old Trafford.

www.ecb.co.uk

 

[Chris O'Connor]

From Cricinfo...

The exclusion of Joe Root in the T20 squad is perhaps the most contentious decision, given his starring role in England's run to the final of the last World T20 in India in 2016, as well as his stated desire to get back into the set-up, as shown by his starring role with bat and ball for Yorkshire against Derbyshire in the T20 Blast this week

Ed Smith ..."I don't think any door is closed to Joe Root," said Smith. "He's a brilliant cricketer, an outstanding man. He's also England's Test captain. And at the moment we are setting up in a particular way as an XI in T20 cricket, and Joe's not in that.

Good news for Dawid Malan then (in his bid to secure the anchor role)

Jason Roy could return for the ODI's...

England had hoped to be able to turn to Roy once again, after he was rested for the Pakistan series as a precaution. However, the ECB have confirmed he will not be ready for the T20I leg of the Australia series, starting at the Ageas Bowl on September 4. He will stay in the team's biosecure environment, with a view to demonstrating his fitness for the ODIs, which begin at Emirates Old Trafford on September 11.


As above post...

Squads announced for the Aussies....

England Men’s IT20 Squad:
Eoin Morgan (Middlesex) (captain), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), Jofra Archer (Sussex), Jonathan Bairstow (Yorkshire), Tom Banton (Somerset), Sam Billings (Kent), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Sam Curran (Surrey), Tom Curran (Surrey), Joe Denly (Kent), Chris Jordan (Sussex), Dawid Malan (Yorkshire), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Mark Wood (Durham).

England Men’s ODI Squad:
Eoin Morgan (Middlesex) (captain), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), Jofra Archer (Sussex), Jonathan Bairstow (Yorkshire), Tom Banton (Somerset), Sam Billings (Kent), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Sam Curran (Surrey), Tom Curran (Surrey), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham).

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With the exception of Roy (injured) and Stokes (personal reasons) England more or less at full strength, although saying that these are both big misses with Stokes understandable ommision a huge difference on it's own.

Reserves for the T20's are Saqib and Livingstone with Saqib also a reserve for the ODI's along with Joe Denly