Cricket

I really had no real problem in trying bowling combinations for the future as they need their real quicks to be tried and tested with plenty of test matches under their belts before the ashes, but the Aegeas (sp?) was obviously a test too soon with Old Trafford hosting the next two, especially with hindsight but really even without. Tbf I think the loss of so much time on the first and even second days of the Southampton test made the Windies get an even greater advantage with the batting conditions when both sides batted, and became far greater than any later advantage gained from bowling last on it too. That decision was made to look far worse with hindsight.

I think it would have been worth Joe giving himself more of a bowl too with Bess looking short of the mark. He can really spin the ball too and has even been trying to broaden his repertoire, surely the option was well worth a try. 'On Ben's late arrival, Corky' laughed about the apparent 'indigestion' being a reason, he didn't dismiss it but felt it was possibly more their plans in bowling a long spell from the spinner from one end and rotating the seamers from the other. Stokes being nominally only the fourth seamer was just left as an afterthought and he makes things happen.
 
I was reading an interview with our world cup winning coach Trevor Bayliss recently, he said Eoin and himself decided virtually right from the start on their plans. Broadening the squad together with an adventurous high risk cricket with free licence to play shots were the cornerstone of the strategy, but they knew there would be short term pain with humiliating losses when it all fell flat at once, and there were, and many of them.

I suppose you could think long term this planning may be the short term pain for long term gain here as well, with broadening the spinning base and trying to slowly get away from the Jimmy-Broady winning formula that won't be here long term. I suppose if like their white ball team the aim is to be the best in the long term, such dubious short term considerations like the much criticised test championship with its hundred and one glaring fault lines, and very short term results won't matter so much. Become the best team in the world and the ranking recognition will follow.
 
Chris O'Connor said:
I was reading an interview with our world cup winning coach Trevor Bayliss recently, he said Eoin and himself decided virtually right from the start on their plans. Broadening the squad together with an adventurous high risk cricket with free licence to play shots were the cornerstone of the strategy, but they knew there would be short term pain with humiliating losses when it all fell flat at once, and there were, and many of them.

I suppose you could think long term this planning may be the short term pain for long term gain here as well, with broadening the spinning base and trying to slowly get away from the Jimmy-Broady winning formula that won't be here long term. I suppose if like their white ball team the aim is to be the best in the long term, such dubious short term considerations like the much criticised test championship with its hundred and one glaring fault lines, and very short term results won't matter so much. Become the best team in the world and the ranking recognition will follow.
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As you know I can be critical soemtimes, but I am supportive of what they have done and you are right to say it is a transitional period. I saw some stuff about Broad banging on about playing until he's 37/8 like Anderson, but he's not got his athletic build nor is he as good a bowler as Anderson (outside of England especially). He will be be 36 when the next Ashes comes up while Anderson will be 39/40. Neither of their records in Australia, across multiple series are that stellar, so preparations really need to be made. I mean Broad in his last 3 series there has averaged 81, 27 & 48, Andersons is slightly better with 26, 44 & 27 but neither of them are so good you feel they need to be on the trip at 36-40 years of age. While it's not all about winning in Australia, you do need different bowlwrs to Broad/Anderson now in the sub continent, and also iincreasingly places like South Africa where Wood had some joy.

They could have quite easily played Moeen, Woakes, Anderson & Broad in this series, which is a world class attack in England conditions, however will simply not travel well. The other factor is, if you don't forward plan, when players fall off a cliff like say Ambrose and Walsh did for the West Indies you've got real problems. Australia had similar for a time once McGrath and Warne went. There does have to be some forward planning.

In that team, Bess, Curran, Crawley and Pope are all under 22 while Sibley is only 25 I believe. They've made a real investment into those players who may well be a bit up and down to begin with but all have enormous potential for me. Archer is only 26 as well, so these are the guys who we need to build around. Hopefully Olly Stone gets back fit and I would like to see a bit more from Mahmood and Topley. However the length Wood bowls, and Archer will be very effective in Australia as it was in SA, so they need to be given time, as Harmison, Flintoff and Jones were 15 years or so ago.

I found Broad's comments extremely disappointing for what is allegedly a senior player in this team. Mid game to go on TV and essentially bury Stokes in his first game as captain and also pile pressure on the younger bowlers I thoight was disgraceful. Anderson has not done that at all in the game he's been rested and I was surprised different commentary teams let him off so easily with it, in some cases supporting it. When you are a player of his age you understand there has to be a transition, and it feels like he's throwing his toys out of the pram. In england, he's a very good bowler, but he's done very little to show it outside of England. Even when you look at the numbers last summer, which has been built up to some herculean effort, he got 23 wickets at an average of 27. It's good, but it's so good that you would suspend all plans in the medium term to accmodate him.

But I digress. England are doing well with younger players. I have thought for some time Curran can be special and they have 5 lads in the team now who will be hopefully quite inked in by the next Ashes series. You can put Archer, Root and Stokes in around them, and there are then probably 3 positions that are up for grabs.

BROAD comments dissapointing
 
catcherintherye said:
As you know I can be critical soemtimes, but I am supportive of what they have done and you are right to say it is a transitional period. I saw some stuff about Broad banging on about playing until he's 37/8 like Anderson, but he's not got his athletic build nor is he as good a bowler as Anderson (outside of England especially). He will be be 36 when the next Ashes comes up while Anderson will be 39/40. Neither of their records in Australia, across multiple series are that stellar, so preparations really need to be made. I mean Broad in his last 3 series there has averaged 81, 27 & 48, Andersons is slightly better with 26, 44 & 27 but neither of them are so good you feel they need to be on the trip at 36-40 years of age. While it's not all about winning in Australia, you do need different bowlwrs to Broad/Anderson now in the sub continent, and also iincreasingly places like South Africa where Wood had some joy.

They could have quite easily played Moeen, Woakes, Anderson & Broad in this series, which is a world class attack in England conditions, however will simply not travel well. The other factor is, if you don't forward plan, when players fall off a cliff like say Ambrose and Walsh did for the West Indies you've got real problems. Australia had similar for a time once McGrath and Warne went. There does have to be some forward planning.

In that team, Bess, Curran, Crawley and Pope are all under 22 while Sibley is only 25 I believe. They've made a real investment into those players who may well be a bit up and down to begin with but all have enormous potential for me. Archer is only 26 as well, so these are the guys who we need to build around. Hopefully Olly Stone gets back fit and I would like to see a bit more from Mahmood and Topley. However the length Wood bowls, and Archer will be very effective in Australia as it was in SA, so they need to be given time, as Harmison, Flintoff and Jones were 15 years or so ago.

I found Broad's comments extremely disappointing for what is allegedly a senior player in this team. Mid game to go on TV and essentially bury Stokes in his first game as captain and also pile pressure on the younger bowlers I thoight was disgraceful. Anderson has not done that at all in the game he's been rested and I was surprised different commentary teams let him off so easily with it, in some cases supporting it. When you are a player of his age you understand there has to be a transition, and it feels like he's throwing his toys out of the pram. In england, he's a very good bowler, but he's done very little to show it outside of England. Even when you look at the numbers last summer, which has been built up to some herculean effort, he got 23 wickets at an average of 27. It's good, but it's so good that you would suspend all plans in the medium term to accmodate him.

But I digress. England are doing well with younger players. I have thought for some time Curran can be special and they have 5 lads in the team now who will be hopefully quite inked in by the next Ashes series. You can put Archer, Root and Stokes in around them, and there are then probably 3 positions that are up for grabs.

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Great bowler but does come across a bit of a tit sometimes.
 

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