davek
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It's always been more dangerous. We all know that.
Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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Have to admit I chuckled a bit at the irony of the film title.
tsubaki
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Ultimately success, but that was more due to a combination of getting rid of failures and the Germans having an even more statist, even more wrong system.
I'd suggest folks at risk for severe illness not go and those that live with or care for those at risk also not go.
I'd further suggest those that are ill or might be not go...even if it is just a cold or flu.
This generally is the rub and why government does shut things down. Folks tend not to do common sense things that would be beneficial for themselves let alone doing it for strangers.
davek
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Nazi Germany was run by a psychotic regime that were basing all their decision making on a race war. It's about as far away from a rationale centralised response based on science as their can be.
The Allies won the war with a plan that took the whole of the people with it.
zzr45
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Get down the clap clinic.
Probably not. It sounded like you wanted to test people coming back into the country from areas considered high risk
davek
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Although I have no time anymore for the Starmer supporting sell out, Paul Mason, his piece in today's New Statesman (posted in part below) hammers a few truths home and underlines the danger of not having a strong state attacking this situation:
Why the UK is unprepared for the worst coronavirus could inflict
In the free-market era, the health protection and promotion functions of the state have been allowed to atrophy.
'In the next few months everyone in the UK really, really has to listen to the public health messages coming out of government, even if it is conveyed by clowns like Boris Johnson and incompetents like Matt Hancock. And for that to work, the government needs to build trust.
The government has outlined its strategy: we are in the “contain” phase, where tracing and testing infected people should work, and everyone has to wash their hands. If we move to the “delay” phase then, as the Whitehall document warns, “the pressures on services and wider society may start to become significant and clearly noticeable”. Schools will close, football matches and conferences will be cancelled, and if other countries are experiencing the same level of infection they might shut down international travel routes even if we do not.
Once a full-blown outbreak begins, stockpiles of medicines will be consumed, police will concentrate only on “serious crime and public order”, contact tracing will end, and NHS staff (some by now depleted by infection themselves) will begin a Blitz-like operation simply to treat the most acute cases. Under this worst-case scenario we will still defeat the virus, but everyone in the UK will feel the effect of it – in cancelled operations, cancelled travel, cancelled public events, the presence of the military, and the enforced distancing of people from each other. As people try to self-medicate at home, the supply of over-the-counter medicines will come under strain.
Are you ready for this? I’m a late baby-boomer, so as a child I was bombarded with public health messages – brush your teeth, get vaccinated, sneeze into a handkerchief, look left as you cross the road: my generation are pre-indoctrinated to follow orders from the state.
But I am not sure British society is ready for the worst-case scenario. In the free-market era we’ve allowed the health protection and promotion functions of the state to atrophy. There’s some superb preventive work going on, both in the NHS and local government, around everything from Hepatitis C, to sexual health and mental health. But much of it is done through side-projects and philanthropic funding.
Meanwhile, the marketisation of all human life in the past 30 years has eroded the mindset of citizenship and replaced it with that of the consumer. We “consume” public services like refuse collection and higher education and expect “value for money”. But in a serious epidemic there is no consumer choice; no value for money metrics; no customer satisfaction survey at the end.
Given the danger, has the UK government done enough, quickly enough, to stop the epidemic reaching Britain? With the first UK case reported on 31 January, Johnson’s decision to wait until early March to hold a COBRA meeting and produce an action plan looks sluggish.
The action plan is deliberately vague but it’s clear the government is preparing to make radical changes to policing, public order and NHS admissions if the disease takes off, and to take emergency powers to do so if needed. But Johnson’s administration appears unwilling to convey the potential seriousness of the situation...In essence, coronavirus requires us to trust a government that is not trustworthy, and a public-private technocracy with a history of shirking responsibility.'
Why the UK is unprepared for the worst coronavirus could inflict
In the free-market era, the health protection and promotion functions of the state have been allowed to atrophy.
'In the next few months everyone in the UK really, really has to listen to the public health messages coming out of government, even if it is conveyed by clowns like Boris Johnson and incompetents like Matt Hancock. And for that to work, the government needs to build trust.
The government has outlined its strategy: we are in the “contain” phase, where tracing and testing infected people should work, and everyone has to wash their hands. If we move to the “delay” phase then, as the Whitehall document warns, “the pressures on services and wider society may start to become significant and clearly noticeable”. Schools will close, football matches and conferences will be cancelled, and if other countries are experiencing the same level of infection they might shut down international travel routes even if we do not.
Once a full-blown outbreak begins, stockpiles of medicines will be consumed, police will concentrate only on “serious crime and public order”, contact tracing will end, and NHS staff (some by now depleted by infection themselves) will begin a Blitz-like operation simply to treat the most acute cases. Under this worst-case scenario we will still defeat the virus, but everyone in the UK will feel the effect of it – in cancelled operations, cancelled travel, cancelled public events, the presence of the military, and the enforced distancing of people from each other. As people try to self-medicate at home, the supply of over-the-counter medicines will come under strain.
Are you ready for this? I’m a late baby-boomer, so as a child I was bombarded with public health messages – brush your teeth, get vaccinated, sneeze into a handkerchief, look left as you cross the road: my generation are pre-indoctrinated to follow orders from the state.
But I am not sure British society is ready for the worst-case scenario. In the free-market era we’ve allowed the health protection and promotion functions of the state to atrophy. There’s some superb preventive work going on, both in the NHS and local government, around everything from Hepatitis C, to sexual health and mental health. But much of it is done through side-projects and philanthropic funding.
Meanwhile, the marketisation of all human life in the past 30 years has eroded the mindset of citizenship and replaced it with that of the consumer. We “consume” public services like refuse collection and higher education and expect “value for money”. But in a serious epidemic there is no consumer choice; no value for money metrics; no customer satisfaction survey at the end.
Given the danger, has the UK government done enough, quickly enough, to stop the epidemic reaching Britain? With the first UK case reported on 31 January, Johnson’s decision to wait until early March to hold a COBRA meeting and produce an action plan looks sluggish.
The action plan is deliberately vague but it’s clear the government is preparing to make radical changes to policing, public order and NHS admissions if the disease takes off, and to take emergency powers to do so if needed. But Johnson’s administration appears unwilling to convey the potential seriousness of the situation...In essence, coronavirus requires us to trust a government that is not trustworthy, and a public-private technocracy with a history of shirking responsibility.'
These are the current WHO guidelines that I believe would apply in your case mate
A perfect excuse for more time spent on GOT and less out shopping
Being extra vigilant on washing your hands, avoiding touching your face and not shaking hands are also pretty simple steps and even if the virus never gets to your local area it will probably help stop you getting more minor bugs
Thanks a lot mate.
I should be ok really, but it’s still a worry that we could all do without.
If this all blows over without a few days off work then I will not be happy.
Home Bagain customers pulling handwash into trollies like no man's business today .....
My diabetic nurse telephoned sick ... Appointment cancelled......till next week.......
Its on its way ........don't panic don't panic ......
My diabetic nurse telephoned sick ... Appointment cancelled......till next week.......
Its on its way ........don't panic don't panic ......
-Rob-
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Yes. Airports certainly have the facilities to do it. It may only be random tests, it may be tests based on info from passengers, it may only be visual tests but something is required.
It's exactly why the people flown in from China to Brize Norton were sent to Arrow Park for testing and quarantine. They were high risk.
tsubaki
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Dave thats a cartoon version of history - the Nazi state was run in effect by one man, who was the only one who knew everything or could give proper authority to decisions. In some ways this led to developing technology that was some way in front of anywhere else (and not only traditional technology but in terms of developing political messaging, refining propaganda as well) but in others it caused huge waste, killed millions / tens of millions and lost them the war.
A. Airports dont really have the facilities to do it. I'm not sure why you think they do?
B. Who do you think has the capacity/resource to swab/assess that many people?
C. If they visually seem like they might have Coronavirus why have they flown in the first place and been allowed to land?
D The people taken to Arrowe Park were small in number and suspected to have it based upon contact with others known to have it. What you are talking about is large scale assessment/swabbing. Which at a certain point becomes pointless. You may as well tell anyone returning from those flights to self isolate or better yet, stop people travelling from those areas into the country.
-Rob-
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A airports have medical facilities. We're not talking about operations here, it's checking for symptoms similar to the flu.
B How many people? We don't know how many people will need testing.
C That's for the authorities in other countries to answer
D There are have been 84 cases in the UK so far. At the moment it's all very small numbers. What I'm talking about if trying to avoid anything large scale. If you don't do the checks now then it might become large scale. No one wants that.
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