Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Rita_Poon]

There's a strong possibility he's got a raging alcohol problem. I'm not sure we should be facilitating his late night GOT and strong liquer binges.

Wonder what he looks like at work after one of his sessions?

Now now, lets not go saying anything we can't take back later...

 

[Martin Alvito]

You'd get association rather than causality.

This seems to call for more risk-benefit analysis based on serious adverse events from the original trials. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/

CDC seem to indicate low levels here: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

You would get association rather than causality with the undergraduate-level media study, sure. You can impute causality with a statistical model, but a proper dataset on the myocarditis as linked to deaths simply doesn't exist here. To produce a quality study, a consistent autopsy process would have been required at the time, and that wasn't happening due to factors such as overwork and governmental disinterest in discovering the truth.

If you're saying that you insist on the standard of proof being published research, you're ignoring a whole bunch of stuff. Whatever was published yesterday is probably wrong, in the sense that someone else likely will show us what that piece of research missed later. You're also ignoring how politics at the funding level controls which studies you have the opportunity to read, and which ones you don't.

If we simply took the politics out of funding, and pursued the truth, the right would have a lot less ammunition for its conspiracy theories. Unfortunately, people are people and there's a large number of reasons why that's not happening, unless we turn the funding decisions over to a third party like computers or aliens.

 

[Rita_Poon]

You would get association rather than causality with the undergraduate-level media study, sure. You can impute causality with a statistical model, but a proper dataset on the myocarditis as linked to deaths simply doesn't exist here. To produce a quality study, a consistent autopsy process would have been required at the time, and that wasn't happening due to factors such as overwork and governmental disinterest in discovering the truth.

If you're saying that you insist on the standard of proof being published research, you're ignoring a whole bunch of stuff. Whatever was published yesterday is probably wrong, in the sense that someone else likely will show us what that piece of research missed later. You're also ignoring how politics at the funding level controls which studies you have the opportunity to read, and which ones you don't.

If we simply took the politics out of funding, and pursued the truth, the right would have a lot less ammunition for its conspiracy theories. Unfortunately, people are people and there's a large number of reasons why that's not happening, unless we turn the funding decisions over to a third party like computers or aliens.

They has 38 billion pounds to lose on a system that no one ever saw.... I also smell a rat! And this time it aint oddbod...

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

You would get association rather than causality with the undergraduate-level media study, sure. You can impute causality with a statistical model, but a proper dataset on the myocarditis as linked to deaths simply doesn't exist here. To produce a quality study, a consistent autopsy process would have been required at the time, and that wasn't happening due to factors such as overwork and governmental disinterest in discovering the truth.

If you're saying that you insist on the standard of proof being published research, you're ignoring a whole bunch of stuff. Whatever was published yesterday is probably wrong, in the sense that someone else likely will show us what that piece of research missed later. You're also ignoring how politics at the funding level controls which studies you have the opportunity to read, and which ones you don't.

If we simply took the politics out of funding, and pursued the truth, the right would have a lot less ammunition for its conspiracy theories. Unfortunately, people are people and there's a large number of reasons why that's not happening, unless we turn the funding decisions over to a third party like computers or aliens.

Mate, I suspect you're talking out of your hat here. Who funds UK health oriented research? The NHS you said on the previous post?

No decent epidemiologist I know would argue for causation in most cases, merely strong association.

That's a lot of words for saying "I don't actually know what I'm talking about".

Shame that, you're usually better than this.

 

[Moomin]

You're brainwashed by everything the good ol' state tells you.

Im not anti vax and I do think overall the covid jabs have done more good than bad however I am not narrow minded to overlook peoples deaths after being jabbed (which for many the vaccine is actually on the death certificate). You need to be more open minded and actually look into actual studies into this.

Myocarditis
Pericarditis
Arrhythmias
Vasculitis
GCA
Cardiac arrests
guillain-barré syndrome
Blood clots

Pretty sure there was around 479k reports of adverse reactions just in the UK.

so to completely rule that they have had no link to excess deaths for me is narrow minded and more independent research needs doing without Govt/big pharma companies being involved.

Covid also causes a load of these issues.

 

[Jebus_lives]

? I haven`t thought but if you need to be tested for something so deadly that you don`t even know if you`ve got it then it can`t be all that diddly deadly, can it!
I stand by my original point about the vaccinations.

There are literally thousands of things that will kill you that this could apply to in health.

It's the reason diagnosis exists.

 

[Jebus_lives]

You're brainwashed by everything the good ol' state tells you.

Im not anti vax and I do think overall the covid jabs have done more good than bad however I am not narrow minded to overlook peoples deaths after being jabbed (which for many the vaccine is actually on the death certificate). You need to be more open minded and actually look into actual studies into this.

Myocarditis
Pericarditis
Arrhythmias
Vasculitis
GCA
Cardiac arrests
guillain-barré syndrome
Blood clots

Pretty sure there was around 479k reports of adverse reactions just in the UK.

so to completely rule that they have had no link to excess deaths for me is narrow minded and more independent research needs doing without Govt/big pharma companies being involved.

What do you mean by this?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Name them.

I know of 1. Aseem Malhotra, whose work was widely shared on twitter and amplified by people who are anti vax.

I'm curious, given he seems to be decrying Twitter professors I wonder what it was that drew @ForeverBlue92 to The Journal for Insulin Resistance to source the paper originally.

 

[Walken]

Mate, I suspect you're talking out of your hat here. Who funds UK health oriented research? The NHS you said on the previous post?

No decent epidemiologist I know would argue for causation in most cases, merely strong association.

That's a lot of words for saying "I don't actually know what I'm talking about".

Shame that, you're usually better than this.

Indeed, there has already been and there is continous research into the matter, tin hat stuff.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Don’t personally mind if someone doesn’t want to get the vaccine. It’s their choice.

What is wrong is bloaters like @Oddball , holliday and @ForeverBlue92 posting lies, half truths and suppositions on the internet, potentially influencing the decision making of others. Then taking no responsibility and ignoring any ‘actual’ evidence when called out on it.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

What do you mean by this?

Good luck on getting a response. Anytime he’s called out on something challenging he disappears from the thread for a few weeks then comes back in pretending nothing happened.
He’s a parody of a coward

 

[COYBL25]

Don’t personally mind if someone doesn’t want to get the vaccine. It’s their choice.

What is wrong is bloaters like @Oddball , holliday and @ForeverBlue92 posting lies, half truths and suppositions on the internet, potentially influencing the decision making of others. Then taking no responsibility and ignoring any ‘actual’ evidence when called out on it.

I don`t think you need to worry about that collective of wronguns, influencing anyone with the drivel they post.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Don’t personally mind if someone doesn’t want to get the vaccine. It’s their choice.

What is wrong is bloaters like @Oddball , holliday and @ForeverBlue92 posting lies, half truths and suppositions on the internet, potentially influencing the decision making of others. Then taking no responsibility and ignoring any ‘actual’ evidence when called out on it.

I dont see anyone doing that.

I suppose the parents of teenagers who've died of Myocarditis following the jabs are spreading lies as well ?

If you want the jab get it, if you dont then dont. But to state the covid vaccines have no severe reactions including cardiovascular conditions that have resulted in injuries + deaths is incorrect and shows you haven't researched into the topic and are playing the man not the ball so to speak.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Covid also causes a load of these issues.

That it does which we all agree on.

But strangely we have to pretend the vaccine doesn't otherwise you're lying anti vaxxer apparently.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I dont see anyone doing that.

I suppose the parents of teenagers who've died of Myocarditis following the jabs are spreading lies as well ?

If you want the jab get it, if you dont then dont. But to state the covid vaccines have no severe reactions including cardiovascular conditions that have resulted in injuries + deaths is incorrect and shows you haven't researched into the topic and are playing the man not the ball so to speak.

Guessing a man who has done his research can tell us how many deaths of Myocarditis can be linked to taking the vaccine and whether this is a statistically significant amount?