Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Martin Alvito]

The problem with the vaccines is that its very political so the media are not so keen to report the more severe reactions / deaths as much as they should do because if they do that then less people would inevitably take the jab - then if less people take the jab more (old/vulnerable) will get hospitalised with Covid which means potentially back to restrictions and with that further economic damage and restless natives which no government wants.

Until Covid mutates to the point where its largely harmless (if it ever does) and vaccines become much less important you'll not see the media talk too much about it which is why you need to look into medical journals and case reports etc.

I didn't have a lot of difficulty keeping up with the side effects via the media over here at the time.

The long and the short of the thing was that the US government more or less indemnified Pfizer, Moderna and Janssen (JNJ) against the usual strict liability legal standard with respect to side effects. This makes sense. We were in the middle of a public health epidemic, we needed an answer now, and there's no universe where they bet the company on the vaccine.

As I said over a year ago, I completely agree with you that there needs to be more investigation into side effects with respect to these vaccines. I still get my boosters, and you should too, but you should be aware of the risks and know what to look out for.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Can you prove an increase in cardiac arrests at football games and link to covid vaccinations then pls? As that’s what he’s repeatedly suggested in this thread.

I'm not aware of an epidemiological study that would demonstrate the link he referred to. Good luck finding one, seeing how funding on that one would be going through NHS over there or NIH over here, and they never play ball with the research proposal.

If somebody wanted to demonstrate an increase in news articles related to the phenomena, that seems like a pretty easy project that a college graduate could execute. You would end up with a dispute over whether the cause was stress/poorer diet/increases in alcohol consumption/myocarditis, but the empirical fact could probably be demonstrated.

If you wanted to do an actual, good study, you would have needed funding and access at the time and in no universe does someone get that.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I'm not aware of an epidemiological study that would demonstrate the link he referred to. Good luck finding one, seeing how funding on that one would be going through NHS over there or NIH over here, and they never play ball with the research proposal.

If somebody wanted to demonstrate an increase in news articles related to the phenomena, that seems like a pretty easy project that a college graduate could execute. You would end up with a dispute over whether the cause was stress/poorer diet/increases in alcohol consumption/myocarditis, but the empirical fact could probably be demonstrated.

If you wanted to do an actual, good study, you would have needed funding and access at the time and in no universe does someone get that.

You'd get association rather than causality.

This seems to call for more risk-benefit analysis based on serious adverse events from the original trials. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/

CDC seem to indicate low levels here: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

 

[Oddball]

Plenty of reasonos . Have a little thinko abouto what they might be.

? I haven`t thought but if you need to be tested for something so deadly that you don`t even know if you`ve got it then it can`t be all that diddly deadly, can it!
I stand by my original point about the vaccinations.

 

[Rita_Poon]

? I haven`t thought but if you need to be tested for something so deadly that you don`t even know if you`ve got it then it can`t be all that diddly deadly, can it!
I stand by my original point about the vaccinations.

Can you talk through late diagnosis lung cancer please...

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Oh wow, he’s anti-vax (I don’t come in here), he literally ticks every box of the tin hat crowd
What a fool

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

*settles in*

 

[Oddball]

Oh wow, he’s anti-vax (I don’t come in here), he literally ticks every box of the tin hat crowd
What a fool

Covis is called flu again this winter ?

 

[Rita_Poon]

Can you talk through late diagnosis lung cancer please...

Covis is called flu again this winter ?

In your own time if you please cup-cake...

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Covis is called flu again this winter ?

Flu is called flu
Tin hat loner is called tin hat loner

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

*settles in*

I get a bizarre amount of joy out of this

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I get a bizarre amount of joy out of this

Best entertainment on the 'net for me.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Best entertainment on the 'net for me.

My only concern is that im not sure it can be stopped. He’ll see us all out

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

My only concern is that im not sure it can be stopped. He’ll see us all out

There's a strong possibility he's got a raging alcohol problem. I'm not sure we should be facilitating his late night GOT and strong liquer binges.

Wonder what he looks like at work after one of his sessions?

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

There's a strong possibility he's got a raging alcohol problem. I'm not sure we should be facilitating his late night GOT and strong liquer binges.

Wonder what he looks like at work after one of his sessions?

I’ve a terrible alcohol problem (see my post times and rambles), he does come out at weird times though with totally irreverent stuff