Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Crazy that after 2 years people can have this view that they don’t believe the scientific consensus, don’t believe the doctors, don’t believe medical institutions, think that doctors all around the world are deliberately falsifying death certificates and knowingly jeopardising public health with dangerous vaccines, think that governments are willingly tanking their own economies, but can’t point to a reasonable motivation for all this, other than ‘control’ or ‘extra powers’, which most governments are relinquishing now anyway.

That they call other people “sheep” is what winds me up the most; I mean they are the ones who parrot the same arguments, deny the same facts or observable reality, wear the same clothes and chant the same slogans at the same demos.
 
Crazy that after 2 years people can have this view that they don’t believe the scientific consensus, don’t believe the doctors, don’t believe medical institutions, think that doctors all around the world are deliberately falsifying death certificates and knowingly jeopardising public health with dangerous vaccines, think that governments are willingly tanking their own economies, but can’t point to a reasonable motivation for all this, other than ‘control’ or ‘extra powers’, which most governments are relinquishing now anyway.

Nobody believes that doctors are deliberately falsifying death certificates. But to act like there are not thousands of other doctors and scientists that also have these concerns is not correct. Doctors are risking their jobs by speaking out and choosing not to take the vaccine themselves. That says a lot. For many it is not that they do not believe, but that they are being cautious. Waiting to see what happens before committing to a procedure that can not be reversed. It is a new vaccine for a virus that many have now had and fought off without a vaccine. The risk and benefit is not the same to all people.

For those who are vulnerable it makes sense. If you are healthy, it makes less sense the younger you are. We can see the deaths are weighted heavily in those in their 80s and over.
 
Nobody believes that doctors are deliberately falsifying death certificates. But to act like there are not thousands of other doctors and scientists that also have these concerns is not correct. Doctors are risking their jobs by speaking out and choosing not to take the vaccine themselves. That says a lot. For many it is not that they do not believe, but that they are being cautious. Waiting to see what happens before committing to a procedure that can not be reversed. It is a new vaccine for a virus that many have now had and fought off without a vaccine. The risk and benefit is not the same to all people.

For those who are vulnerable it makes sense. If you are healthy, it makes less sense the younger you are. We can see the deaths are weighted heavily in those in their 80s and over.
What's the alternative to the unknown long-term side-effects of COVID-19 vaccines in healthy people?

The unknown long-term side-effects of COVID-19 infection, which, seemingly, are considered less harmful (based on what exactly?)
 
Nobody believes that doctors are deliberately falsifying death certificates. But to act like there are not thousands of other doctors and scientists that also have these concerns is not correct. Doctors are risking their jobs by speaking out and choosing not to take the vaccine themselves. That says a lot. For many it is not that they do not believe, but that they are being cautious. Waiting to see what happens before committing to a procedure that can not be reversed. It is a new vaccine for a virus that many have now had and fought off without a vaccine. The risk and benefit is not the same to all people.

For those who are vulnerable it makes sense. If you are healthy, it makes less sense the younger you are. We can see the deaths are weighted heavily in those in their 80s and over.
Oh and this is why you model a range of scenarios which then inform policy.

*Just remember that it's not reporting*
 
I do not know. I wish I did. It is not just the UK. Internationally it has been similar. The behaviour of so many governments over the pandemic has not been normal. They have behaved bizarrely. Not in the interests of their own people (so maybe that is normally lol) and often against the Scientists.

Who wins is obvious. I think special powers were granted to governments in a crisis situation and there is now a political motivation to keep those powers. Lots of powerful people have been very happy with the events of the last two years too.



It's possible. But have you also considered the fact that you might be completely clueless?
 
It's possible. But have you also considered the fact that you might be completely clueless?
Special powers have always been granted to Governments in matters of public health (as they are in war). It's nothing new.

What I can't understand is why Governments, who would be well capable of exercising those powers (UK CCA 2004 as an example) would then want to undermine the use of that power by over reporting death figures - if you keep deaths low then you need to keep the powers as they are "clearly working".
 
Nobody believes that doctors are deliberately falsifying death certificates. But to act like there are not thousands of other doctors and scientists that also have these concerns is not correct. Doctors are risking their jobs by speaking out and choosing not to take the vaccine themselves. That says a lot. For many it is not that they do not believe, but that they are being cautious. Waiting to see what happens before committing to a procedure that can not be reversed. It is a new vaccine for a virus that many have now had and fought off without a vaccine. The risk and benefit is not the same to all people.

For those who are vulnerable it makes sense. If you are healthy, it makes less sense the younger you are. We can see the deaths are weighted heavily in those in their 80s and over.

Think you’re arguing against things I haven’t said.

The fact that risk is greater for elderly and vulnerable has been known now for 2 years.

Fact that vaccine benefit versus risk is lesser in younger age cohorts is well known, and has been clearly articulated by medical authorities. But, they have generally agreed that the risk from Covid is greater than risk from vaccine, even in younger ages cohorts (although obviously the risk/benefit margin is much closer).

That some health workers are vaccine hesitant doesn’t really prove anything, last I saw was that somewhere between 80 and 90% health workers had had at least 2 doses.

I’m genuinely unconcerned about vaccine take up at this point. UK numbers have been really good, and we basically haven’t had any major restrictions in place since last June when everything opened up again.

Fears about more lockdowns didn’t happen. Fears about the gov keeping restrictions in forever didn’t happen. Fears about forced vaccination didn’t happen. Ironic that it’s the anti-lockdown, anti-vax folk who pushed all these fears, while simulataneously telling people the media and the government are trying to scare everyone.
 
That some health workers are vaccine hesitant doesn’t really prove anything.

It is not just health workers, there are thousands of credible, qualified people willing to risk their jobs, their careers over their concerns.

It is sad and unjust that those people have lost their jobs and their right to travel, which is not supported by science. Just more political maneuvering.

Injecting children is madness, in my opinion. It is terrifying that people are lining their children up for it.
 
It is not just health workers, there are thousands of credible, qualified people willing to risk their jobs, their careers over their concerns.

It is sad and unjust that those people have lost their jobs and their right to travel, which is not supported by science. Just more political maneuvering.
"There are hundreds and millions of us who cannot speak out for fear of not being taken seriously"
 
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