Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Thanks LL. One of those charts references the number of NHS staff off sick, which I’ve had some first hand experience of this week.

The local A&E had 28 staff off with Covid (not sure what proportion that represents, but 28 staff off sick from one department is gonna be hard to manage). The hospital were putting out tannoy announcements about 8 hour wait times, and were turning ambulances with new arrivals away at the door.
I do wonder if they think of reducing isolation time further for fully vaccinated frontline workers.

Surely that could be a solution.

Even cutting it down to 5 days would be a real help.
 
I do wonder if they think of reducing isolation time further for fully vaccinated frontline workers.

Surely that could be a solution.

Even cutting it down to 5 days would be a real help.
Honestly, no.
What would be the point in isolating. May as well say all frontline staff don't isolate.
Have we missed something along the way that says after 5 days you are no longer infectious.
You can't play Russian roulette. You either isolate to avoid infecting others, or you don't. Half arsed measures don't cut it.
NHS staff are not some magic entity that after being infected for 5 days, suddenly are no longer infectious.
What happens if your still infectious. Come back, infect others, making a ton of other staff go off.
Im sorry. But the rules are the rules and should be the same for everyone. Maybe we just go to, nobody isolates at all, and crack on, and the chips land where they land. Because that would be pretty much what a 5 day isolation period would be.
 
Honestly, no.
What would be the point in isolating. May as well say all frontline staff don't isolate.
Have we missed something along the way that says after 5 days you are no longer infectious.
You can't play Russian roulette. You either isolate to avoid infecting others, or you don't. Half arsed measures don't cut it.
NHS staff are not some magic entity that after being infected for 5 days, suddenly are no longer infectious.
What happens if your still infectious. Come back, infect others, making a ton of other staff go off.
Im sorry. But the rules are the rules and should be the same for everyone. Maybe we just go to, nobody isolates at all, and crack on, and the chips land where they land. Because that would be pretty much what a 5 day isolation period would be.
There already playing Russian roulette and have been for over a year, you’ve got staff isolating with a cold basically, which has a massive nock on effect on other services and other more serious illness not being treated problem.

But like they say.... protect the vulnerable. ?
 
They've got to do something surely, just got told they'res queues down the road for a pcr test in walton Park. Spreading like wildfire
The only measure I can see being remotely effective would be to lockdown or close non essential shops and hospitality.

Alternatively, we could start discussing what to do with essential workers who test positive but are also asymptomatic.
 
Am I missing something ? Why are health care staff sent home if they are a close contact? Surely they are close contacts every day as they are treating covid patients. Or does work close contact not count? .. near the end of this article.

Are the 3,800 healthcare staff all staff that work with COVID patients or in general at the hospital?
 
Feels to me that the government in England is gambling big time on low hospital admissions. It just doesn't feel sensible to me when the repercussions could result in a lockdown.

What measures will work?, even in full lockdown it takes weeks before numbers start going down on any meaningful way.
As the virus burns through our country and tens of thousands die, just look to Japan.

It didn't have to be this way, it really didn't.
 
There already playing Russian roulette and have been for over a year, you’ve got staff isolating with a cold basically, which has a massive nock on effect on other services and other more serious illness not being treated problem.

But like they say.... protect the vulnerable. ?
Your right. You do have staff isolating with the sniffles. You also have staff who are suffering. But that is not the point of isolating though is it? The point is so you don't infect others. Those others may not have the sniffles.

Now I fully get what you are saying. But if you have a rule, it has to be a rule for all. The other side to the 5 day thing. Could staff then turn around and say something along the lines of, your putting staff at increased risk and anybody else who comes I to contact with them. Your essentially endangering NHS staff and their families even more.
Yep for most it is a cold. But would you live with yourself if you went back to work and infected somebody, who went on to be seriously ill or worse all because some politician said 5 days, cause they didn't think through staffing issues in the summer.
 
Am I missing something ? Why are health care staff sent home if they are a close contact? Surely they are close contacts every day as they are treating covid patients. Or does work close contact not count? .. near the end of this article.
That's Ireland and maybe they have different rules. But here you only isolate if you have symptoms. Then it is lateral and PCR test time. Assuming you are double jabbed.
 
Honestly, no.
What would be the point in isolating. May as well say all frontline staff don't isolate.
Have we missed something along the way that says after 5 days you are no longer infectious.
You can't play Russian roulette. You either isolate to avoid infecting others, or you don't. Half arsed measures don't cut it.
NHS staff are not some magic entity that after being infected for 5 days, suddenly are no longer infectious.
What happens if your still infectious. Come back, infect others, making a ton of other staff go off.
Im sorry. But the rules are the rules and should be the same for everyone. Maybe we just go to, nobody isolates at all, and crack on, and the chips land where they land. Because that would be pretty much what a 5 day isolation period would be.
Well the CDC in the US are now saying 5 days isolation is asymptomatic is fine.

So that's why I said it.

The priority should be on healthcare workers being able to work, shouldn't it? Not about them being a special entity.
 
@woomy and any others that liked the response, I'm not saying it should be done on pie in the sky

Given what we currently know about COVID-19 and the Omicron variant, CDC is shortening the recommended time for isolation from 10 days for people with COVID-19 to 5 days, if asymptomatic, followed by 5 days of wearing a mask when around others. The change is motivated by science demonstrating that the majority of SARS-CoV-2 transmission occurs early in the course of illness, generally in the 1-2 days prior to onset of symptoms and the 2-3 days after. Therefore, people who test positive should isolate for 5 days and, if asymptomatic at that time, they may leave isolation if they can continue to mask for 5 days to minimize the risk of infecting others.


Now I think 7 days as it currently is, with successive negative lateral flow results, is pretty sensible. But going into lockdown doesn't do anything to stop healthcare workers having to isolate, given the abundance of evidence that COVID is being spread more in those settings.

So the only thing that can be done to stop key workers like that needing to isolate is to... shorten the amount of time they have to isolate?
 
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