Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

add in a government that tops whistleblowers and you've got the perfect petri dish

edit: I'm not saying it's a conspiracy or China are evil. Their government is, in my book, very nasty though.

indeed

 

[Ghost Rider]

Confirmed cases isn’t all cases.

According to the health sec though, they are 20% of covid cases. So how does that work? You can't really just guess if you have actual confirmed data?

Maybe I am thinking wrong on the subject , happy for someone to put me right. Just going by what he said.

 

[grandjoeblue]

What’s your benchmark mate?

What are you basis that analysis on?

Medical advancement aside, how do you think the previous virus would have done in a world with globalisation and air travel and a global population of around 4x it was then?

A much older population makes it a lot more noticeable compared to previous pandemics too. People weren't living until 85 onwards back then. Countries with younger life expectancy have much lower covid death numbers than developed nations.

 

[NathDogg]

Not one person I’ve spoken to in a factory of over 60 people has said that they’ll obey another lockdown

Can't say I blame them or anyone else for not adhering to any further lockdowns - if those coming up with the rules thought it was perfectly ok to break them whilst the country and its people went through hell, then why should they?

 

[LinekersLegs]

21 months (almost 2 years) with vaccines and medical advancement then, is what's happening.

Still a bit of a failure, IMO.

Tbh I’m still wildly impressed with how fast the scientists developed the vaccines and how effective they were against the original strain and how much of that has been maintained to date despite large mutations of the virus.

Much less impressed of course by the directors of those companies and how governments have handled distribution of them and other general management.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Lots of viruses have originated in that part of the world.

This shouldn’t be surprising mind, they’ve for most of recorded history had relatively densely populated settled areas (including cities) together with relatively nearby diverse ecosystems (jungle, desert, savannah, plains, steppes), relatively good internal communications and they’ve usually been a magnet for trade from that place to the rest of the known world.

Add it all up and you have basically the ideal place on the planet for any virus to cross to humans, get a foothold in humanity and then be circulated around the world population of humans.

Maybe that is all true. So let's not go down the conspiracy route then.

As I said to mill above, why have China gone out of their way to prevent investigation into it? Why have they covered it up even after it had spread? Why restrict where WHO could even go whilst they were there?

Not really the behaviour of a country with nothing to hide. So what are they not wanting people to find, given the virus is natural?

That's the million dollar question.

 

[mill]

Given the sheer amount of species , why haven't they ever found the source? Every theory about SARS was debunked and it remains a mystery.

We will never know the truth about it but will it take a third virus to originate in the same country in another 20 years before people start at least considering that it's not a coincidence?

I know you are not interested to get into it so I won't but there has been plenty of coincidental information regarding covid.

Just answer me this, if covid wasn't man made or at the very least originating from a lab in any way. Why did China cover it up for months , like they did with Sars? Why did they restrict WHO from investigating Wuhan to the extent that they could only go where they wanted them to go only?

Why go to such an extent for something that is entirely not their fault again? Do you at the very least not think that's odd behaviour given this has naturally occured?

See the greatest hits are out tonight.

I wouldn’t trust the CCP as far as I could throw them and I could accept that there is some kind of cover up doing on as they have previous.

Do I think that it’s likely that coronaviruses originate from the area? Yes. Do I think that’s why the labs are there? Yes. Do I think this was intentional? No. That wouldn’t make any sense.

However, all that is largely irrelevant for the conversation. Which is where we are going from here and that we need to act with caution while we get through this.

 

[mill]

A much older population makes it a lot more noticeable compared to previous pandemics too. People weren't living until 85 onwards back then. Countries with younger life expectancy have much lower covid death numbers than developed nations.

Exactly. There are loads and loads of factors such as this.

People are just setting themselves up for further disappointment if they keep telling themselves it’s going to be over soon. This will be around for a while longer. And hopefully it gets easier and easier over time.

 

[Ghost Rider]

See the greatest hits are out tonight.

I wouldn’t trust the CCP as far as I could throw them and I could accept that there is some kind of cover up doing on as they have previous.

Do I think that it’s likely that coronaviruses originate from the area? Yes. Do I think that’s why the labs are there? Yes. Do I think this was intentional? No. That wouldn’t make any sense.

However, all that is largely irrelevant for the conversation. Which is where we are going from here and that we need to act with caution while we get through this.

I agree in principle, no point in going down that route of discussion now because nobody has answers anyway.

 

[mill]

Maybe that is all true. So let's not go down the conspiracy route then.

As I said to mill above, why have China gone out of their way to prevent investigation into it? Why have they covered it up even after it had spread? Why restrict where WHO could even go whilst they were there?

Not really the behaviour of a country with nothing to hide. So what are they not wanting people to find, given the virus is natural?

That's the million dollar question.

Why do you say this and then go down the conspiracy route?

 

[LinekersLegs]

Given the sheer amount of species , why haven't they ever found the source? Every theory about SARS was debunked and it remains a mystery.

I thought they had determined SARS was from bats via civets?

Bat cave solves mystery of deadly SARS virus — and suggests new outbreak could occur

Chinese scientists find all the genetic building blocks of SARS in a single population of horseshoe bats.

www.nature.com

 

[tsubaki]

See the greatest hits are out tonight.

I wouldn’t trust the CCP as far as I could throw them and I could accept that there is some kind of cover up doing on as they have previous.

Do I think that it’s likely that coronaviruses originate from the area? Yes. Do I think that’s why the labs are there? Yes. Do I think this was intentional? No. That wouldn’t make any sense.

However, all that is largely irrelevant for the conversation. Which is where we are going from here and that we need to act with caution while we get through this.

The thing I really don’t understand about the “CCP did it” crowd is why, if it is artificial and aimed at us, the same people are anti-mask and anti-vaccination.

It’s like finding out the survivalist nationalist über-yanks of 1961 reacted to events near Cuba by being anti-bunker.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Why do you say this and then go down the conspiracy route?

What conspiracy route? The virus wasn't made in a lab but China are covering something up?

The latter part is obvious , even if it's not related to covid, something is clearly being hidden from the world.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I thought they had determined SARS was from bats via civets?

Bat cave solves mystery of deadly SARS virus — and suggests new outbreak could occur

Chinese scientists find all the genetic building blocks of SARS in a single population of horseshoe bats.

www.nature.com

Sounds quite plausible that, last I knew they debunked the last theory back in 2010.

That article is still just a theory though reading it. It makes sense absolutely , sounds pretty evidential to me. But they seem to be still asking questions about it. Not being skeptical , that does sound like an origin.

 

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