tsubaki
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Even then (and that is years off) there will be brushfires popping up with regularity that we will have to look to stamp on quickly if we aren’t going to go down the national restrictions route again.
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Even then (and that is years off) there will be brushfires popping up with regularity that we will have to look to stamp on quickly if we aren’t going to go down the national restrictions route again.
Ghost Rider
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Why isn't it the answer?
I'm very much pro choice , people should be able to choose whether they should be vaccinated or not.
However if we are applying restrictions based on unvaccinated people and deem them to be the problem then why not segregate or have vaccine mandates?
It would solve the problem. It may be unethical but so is taking an icu bed away from a person who needs it. Or killing someone via infection for their own choice.
I'm not echoing my own thoughts , just discussing the idea ?
efcfanwirral
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Ive got to say I'm surprised we haven't just locked down the unvaccinated for winter. It sounds like the easy fix. I don't agree with it at all but it's the obvious answer, especially compared to mandatory vaccinations which sets a precedent so dangerous it seems many people can't process the danger of it
At least we'd find out whether it's a measure that helps, or whether rules are needed to lock down people who have a second but not a third 3 months afterwards...
I wonder if there's a product that doesn't need topping up every 3 months to be effective? Doubt we'll ever find out - the others have all mysteriously had health issues associated with them while the main one we're using is of course perfect...
Ghost Rider
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Almost like clockwork.
Government announce restrictions , headline the next morning;
We could see up to 1000 hospital admissions a day!
They keep saying that and it never comes true. Plus it's impossible if so much of the country is vaccinated and all data on this new variant says mild symptoms in vaccinated people. Who is going into hospital? It assumes that every unvaccinated person catches it again. Even worst case scenario it's just going to be mild, as per every expert thus far.
Just typical, if you want an example of why the media is fear mongering , just check the news today. Almost like running that story is designed to back up the government restrictions to make more people comply given the circumstances.
Government announce restrictions , headline the next morning;
We could see up to 1000 hospital admissions a day!
They keep saying that and it never comes true. Plus it's impossible if so much of the country is vaccinated and all data on this new variant says mild symptoms in vaccinated people. Who is going into hospital? It assumes that every unvaccinated person catches it again. Even worst case scenario it's just going to be mild, as per every expert thus far.
Just typical, if you want an example of why the media is fear mongering , just check the news today. Almost like running that story is designed to back up the government restrictions to make more people comply given the circumstances.
I just really, really don't like the optics of it or the feeling of it. I think it's wrong and creates just yet another divide in an already divided society. I hate segregation. Segregation is never a good thing. The worst thing about covid from a social point of view has been the segregation and isolation it causes, or at least the restrictions cause, and I don't think that should continue.
I'm not particularly talking about passes for events here. I think if that's a way to keep these events going to full capacity and allow people to be able to do other things than just sit at home or go on a walk then that is fine. But splitting shops down the middle for 'vaxxed and unvaxxed' brings certain connotations to me that I don't like...
tsubaki
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We’ve had 1000 hospital admissions per day happen repeatedly over the past few months:
From today data on hospital admissions start to get released from when this new variant hit, I suspect an increases in hospital admissions and flurry of tweets and news reports in the coming hours and days.
High fives to all the chosen unvaccinated enjoy reintroduced restrictions you have hoisted on us all.
I expect hospital admissions will have increased because it’s winter and we’ve had extreme cold weather and storms you absolute bell whiff.
Ghost Rider
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That link takes you to any admission into hospital
The story specifically says variant admissions at that level. General hospital admissions can range from a heart attack to a broken leg and anything in-between.
The only time we have seen that level of numbers was at the start of the pandemic when we had no immunity , no antibodies , no mask policy etc. Couldn't tell you what the exact figures were then but wouldn't doubt them being that high.
The difference between then and now, or January and now is the vaccine. If the vaccine leads to 1000 admissions a day anyway, then it devalues the vaccine, which is not true. We will never see those level of figures , especially given that data out of South Africa is still reporting largely unvaccinated admissions.
tsubaki
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It says (emphasis added):
“Daily and cumulative numbers of COVID-19 patients admitted to hospital. Data are not updated every day by all 4 nations (England, Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland). Figures are not comparable as Wales includes suspected COVID-19 patients while the other nations include only confirmed cases.”
Oh we’ll be getting the total hospital admissions from any cause numbers rammed down our throats for the foreseeable, don’t worry about that. Hospitals getting busier deeper into the winter every single year since hospitals were invented will also be ignored and brushed off as irrelevant.
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I've just had a really interesting conversation with a new client regarding Covid. I can't really give you much information about him for obvious reasons but what i will say is that he can speak with authority on the subject.
He explained that this is the 4th coronovirus of this type in existence. The other three have evolved to be more benign. The only one they have any real record of is the russian 'flu' in the 1890s which was actually a coronovirus.
That took 6 years and 10 waves to evolve to a benign version of itself.
He explained that the more hostile the environment is for a virus, the more accelerated the evolution process will be and the quicker a benign version of the virus mutate.
That's one of the reasons why vaccinations are important. They accelerated the evolution of the virus. The issue with this particular virus is that it is extremely primitive (in comparison with the flu and the other three versions) and so it is not very far in its evolutionary process.
Leaving effectiveness and the impact on health services aside, what vaccines help do is accelerate the evolutionary process which will mean that we can be out of this state of the world alot quicker than we would without them.
I thought the last paragraph was an interesting point and i'd never really seen it framed that way before and i wondered whether if it was framed in that way, it would encourage the unvaccinated to reconsider things.
He explained that this is the 4th coronovirus of this type in existence. The other three have evolved to be more benign. The only one they have any real record of is the russian 'flu' in the 1890s which was actually a coronovirus.
That took 6 years and 10 waves to evolve to a benign version of itself.
He explained that the more hostile the environment is for a virus, the more accelerated the evolution process will be and the quicker a benign version of the virus mutate.
That's one of the reasons why vaccinations are important. They accelerated the evolution of the virus. The issue with this particular virus is that it is extremely primitive (in comparison with the flu and the other three versions) and so it is not very far in its evolutionary process.
Leaving effectiveness and the impact on health services aside, what vaccines help do is accelerate the evolutionary process which will mean that we can be out of this state of the world alot quicker than we would without them.
I thought the last paragraph was an interesting point and i'd never really seen it framed that way before and i wondered whether if it was framed in that way, it would encourage the unvaccinated to reconsider things.
It’s a weird take this. It’s putting the cart before the horse. The 1000 hospitalisations figure per day isn’t something the media have made up here to support the restrictions.
The 1000 figure is a number in SAGE forecasting and modelling, which was published yesterday in their minutes, which the media have then reported.
The 1000 figure is simply based on current numbers and expectations, with a doubling multiplier applied to it.
I personally don’t think it will get to that point, as the early indication from South Africa is that the vaccine (Pfizer) is holding - however that data is somewhat anecdotal and no data for AZ - hence the uncertainty around it, but it’s pretty easy to understand the modelling.
Seems to me that those who most distrust anything the media says, and say it’s all fearmonging, don’t get very far past a headline before jumping to panicked conclusions.
Did he mention anything about natural antibodies and how they can be as effective a form of protection as the vaccine? Can herd immunity have a similar effect on the evolutionary process of the virus as vaccinating everyone?
Ghost Rider
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Ok I will stand corrected on that note.
In that case, 1000 admissions a day is not actually a big increase on what we have now or had for a while.
Which then makes the headline still valid for scaremongering does it not? It's suggesting a slight increase in admissions rather than a massive increase.
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