Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[grandjoeblue]

Restaurants, hotels and other hospitality venues will be fairly straightforward as its just an extra part of the "check in" process. How it might work in places like shops and public transport though where the foot flow tends to be much greater I don't know as it's hard to see how they would staff that.

I'd imagine it will be more similar to MOTs for cars. First check if they live in the country then check if they're vaccinated. If they aren't the fine is automatically sent and then follow up a couple of months later with further fines/convictions etc.

You can't rely on shops and businesses to enforce vaccinations.

 

[mill]

The idea of making vaccines mandatory is scary af.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

First they came for the unvaccinated, and I did not speak out—because I was not unvaccinated.

Then they came for the single jabbed , and I did not speak out— because I was not single jabbed.

Then they came for the double jabbed, and I did not speak out—because I was not double jabbed.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

First they came for the unvaccinated, and I did not speak out—because I was not unvaccinated.

Then they came for the single jabbed , and I did not speak out— because I was not single jabbed.

Then they came for the double jabbed, and I did not speak out—because I was not double jabbed.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

You should write that on the wall of your local public loo.

 

[efcfanwirral]

The idea of making vaccines mandatory is scary af.

I think it'd be widely celebrated here

 

[mill]

I think it'd be widely celebrated here

I’ve been fairly vocal about my view on things. I think it’s a choice though I do think there are consequences to choice. So I don’t have a problem in limiting access to certain things if you aren’t vaccinated. As it doesn’t remove choice and people are able to decide on a risk reward basis whether they would like to be vaccinated or not. I have no issue with a private business refusing service to unvaccinated people for instance.

And I have no problem with mandating certain things like masks in high risk environments (like say the tube). You can choose an alternative mode of transport in that case.

But making vaccinations mandatory and introducing fines and other punishments for not being vaccinated is a different kettle of fish altogether. That removes autonomy entirely. Which I think is a huge problem.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Have any countries looked into doing 3 jabs initially rather than 2? Surely it would make a lot more sense.

 

[efcfanwirral]

First they came for the unvaccinated, and I did not speak out—because I was not unvaccinated.

Then they came for the single jabbed , and I did not speak out— because I was not single jabbed.

Then they came for the double jabbed, and I did not speak out—because I was not double jabbed.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

I don't think this is helpful - I'm against a huge amount of the response to this, especially the vaccine passports, but anything that even remotely hints that this could be even slightly similar to past events undermines the whole thing and makes us all sound crazy

 

[efcfanwirral]

I’ve been fairly vocal about my view on things. I think it’s a choice though I do think there are consequences to choice. So I don’t have a problem in limiting access to certain things if you aren’t vaccinated. As it doesn’t remove choice and people are able to decide on a risk reward basis whether they would like to be vaccinated or not. I have no issue with a private business refusing service to unvaccinated people for instance.

And I have no problem with mandating certain things like masks in high risk environments (like say the tube). You can choose an alternative mode of transport in that case.

But making vaccinations mandatory and introducing fines and other punishments for not being vaccinated is a different kettle of fish altogether. That removes autonomy entirely. Which I think is a huge problem.

I agree completely, I just know most of the country just believes what they're told by the papers

 

[mill]

Have any countries looked into doing 3 jabs initially rather than 2? Surely it would make a lot more sense.

I think people are viewing the booster jabs in the wrong way. I think we need to see this in the same vein as flu jabs. It’s an annual thing due to how easy the virus mutates into other variants.

It wasn’t ever going to be like say the measles which is more dangerous but less likely to mutate and so our antibodies remain effective.

 

[tsubaki]

I’ve been fairly vocal about my view on things. I think it’s a choice though I do think there are consequences to choice. So I don’t have a problem in limiting access to certain things if you aren’t vaccinated. As it doesn’t remove choice and people are able to decide on a risk reward basis whether they would like to be vaccinated or not. I have no issue with a private business refusing service to unvaccinated people for instance.

And I have no problem with mandating certain things like masks in high risk environments (like say the tube). You can choose an alternative mode of transport in that case.

But making vaccinations mandatory and introducing fines and other punishments for not being vaccinated is a different kettle of fish altogether. That removes autonomy entirely. Which I think is a huge problem.

The biggest objection I'd have to it is that it would be being done when we know there are better alternatives to it.

To take an extreme step like that must only be done when there are no alternatives, but there are alternatives to this that would almost certainly deal with this far better than mass vaccination on its own (which is what is on offer here) will.

 

[grandjoeblue]

I think people are viewing the booster jabs in the wrong way. I think we need to see this in the same vein as flu jabs. It’s an annual thing due to how easy the virus mutates into other variants.

It wasn’t ever going to be like say the measles which is more dangerous but less likely to mutate and so our antibodies remain effective.

I'm just thinking that 3 jabs could give an initial full year of protection rather than roughly 6 months that we currently have. You'd still need boosters eventually.

 

[grandjoeblue]

The biggest objection I'd have to it is that it would be being done when we know there are better alternatives to it.

To take an extreme step like that must only be done when there are no alternatives, but there are alternatives to this that would almost certainly deal with this far better than mass vaccination on its own (which is what is on offer here) will.

There are no better alternatives unfortunately.

 

[tsubaki]

There are no better alternatives unfortunately.

To just relying on vaccines? There absolutely are and we should be doing them.

 

[mill]

I'm just thinking that 3 jabs could give an initial full year of protection rather than roughly 6 months that we currently have. You'd still need boosters eventually.

I honestly don’t know but I thought the 3rd was due to time. That time is the biggest factor to immunity waning rather than magnitude of original dose.

But that might be completely wrong.