Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[ForeverBlue92]

Tbf, I'm fully behind everyone getting vaccinated etc.

That being said, there's definitely been a lot of different effects on people from these vaccines, and there hasn't really been a trend as to why.

It's taken me the best part of a month to get back to full sharpness after my second jab. Maybe that's because I had COVID in between the two doses, I don't know, but it definitely took it out of me again.

For me the benefits have to outweigh any costs (abeit rare). If you're 50 and get heart muscle scarring from myocarditis from the jab then whilst unfortunate you had to get the jab as Covid could have done much worse.

Now a 6 year old? I cant say giving them an emergency approved medicine when their chances of getting seriously ill or worse from Covid are that small is the right thing to do at this stage.

In a few years time once the vaccines have been tweaked and perfected to reduce any potential harmful side effects then great but at this stage its too risky in my opinion I respect others will disagree on that.

 

[mill]

For me the benefits have to outweigh any costs (abeit rare). If you're 50 and get heart muscle scarring from myocarditis from the jab then whilst unfortunate you had to get the jab as Covid could have done much worse.

Now a 6 year old? I cant say giving them an emergency approved medicine when their chances of getting seriously ill or worse from Covid are that small is the right thing to do at this stage.

In a few years time once the vaccines have been tweaked and perfected to reduce any potential harmful side effects then great but at this stage its too risky in my opinion I respect others will disagree on that.

When you say ‘emergency approved’ what do you mean?

 

[BlueToff]

For me the benefits have to outweigh any costs (abeit rare). If you're 50 and get heart muscle scarring from myocarditis from the jab then whilst unfortunate you had to get the jab as Covid could have done much worse.

Now a 6 year old? I cant say giving them an emergency approved medicine when their chances of getting seriously ill or worse from Covid are that small is the right thing to do at this stage.

In a few years time once the vaccines have been tweaked and perfected to reduce any potential harmful side effects then great but at this stage its too risky in my opinion I respect others will disagree on that.

If the vaccines stopped transmission then I'd be more behind kids of that age getting it.

But they don't.

Now, they will contribute towards stopping transmission if everyone is vaccinated but I think keeping it at high school age is probably about right, and then focusing on getting the booster jabs for over 50s/vulnerable groups ASAP. That should be the focus now, heading into winter.

 

[mill]

If the vaccines stopped transmission then I'd be more behind kids of that age getting it.

But they don't.

Now, they will contribute towards stopping transmission if everyone is vaccinated but I think keeping it at high school age is probably about right, and then focusing on getting the booster jabs for over 50s/vulnerable groups ASAP. That should be the focus now, heading into winter.

They 100% prevent transmission. You can’t pass the virus on if you don’t have it in the first play. The vastly reduce the likelihood of you catching it. So they do stop transmission.

 

[TN Toffee]

What I’d like to know is what is specifically about this vaccine that bothers them over all of the others they are willing to take.

Are they as worried about the flu jab for instance?

Can't speak to the significantly smaller groups of anti-vaxxers outside the US, but here it rarely seems to be anything medical that bothers them. Refusing the COVID vaccine has effectively become a pledge of loyalty to Trump, and is viewed as just another good opportunity to own the libs. Other vaccines don't make that same political statement.

 

[ToffeeTim]

They 100% prevent transmission. You can’t pass the virus on if you don’t have it in the first play. The vastly reduce the likelihood of you catching it. So they do stop transmission.

They don't stop transmission but they do reduce it. There seems to be a little bit of discussion on just how much they reduce it from what I've read.

They stop the overwhelming majority from becoming seriously ill though. That's their job.

 

[mill]

They don't stop transmission but they do reduce it. There seems to be a little bit of discussion on just how much they reduce it from what I've read.

They stop the overwhelming majority from becoming seriously ill though. That's their job.

Sorry, I wasn’t implying they stop transmission altogether. But they do prevent transmission on the basis that it prevents individuals from contracting it in the first place.

 

[spectateur]

£8 at Morrison's pharmacies round my way... Quicker than the health centre, had mine two weeks ago!

Both my anti flu jab and my 3rd covid jab due next week.
Free for me as I'm a pensioner.

 

[CharliePotato]

Strange that. You been to the docs? Same question to @Tramps_mate

No it’s not that bad, can still work out and that, can’t swim or anything though feels like I tweaked my rotator cuff, came on me straight after first jab which was end of July.

 

[RAFUH]

Tbf, I'm fully behind everyone getting vaccinated etc.

That being said, there's definitely been a lot of different effects on people from these vaccines, and there hasn't really been a trend as to why.

It's taken me the best part of a month to get back to full sharpness after my second jab. Maybe that's because I had COVID in between the two doses, I don't know, but it definitely took it out of me again.

Occam's razor and all that....

 

[RAFUH]

Yep got mine at Boots on Wednesday, felt awful on Thurs but better today and well worth it.

Had mine yesterday. Required by my employer so they set up shop in a conference room and line us up

 

[Blues Harp]

Had my booster jab this morning (Pfizer) and will have the yearly flu jab in 2 weeks. ?

 

[RAFUH]

They 100% prevent transmission. You can’t pass the virus on if you don’t have it in the first play. The vastly reduce the likelihood of you catching it. So they do stop transmission.

They don't stop 100% of transmission nor 100% of infection. They significantly reduce the likelihood of transmission, infection, severe disease and death. All still worthy outcomes.

I'm a MASSIVE vaccine advocate, but statements like this make things harder. We (healthcare/governments) have not done a good job with nuance with regard to vaccine.

 

[mill]

They don't stop 100% of transmission nor 100% of infection. They significantly reduce the likelihood of transmission, infection, severe disease and death. All still worthy outcomes.

I'm a MASSIVE vaccine advocate, but statements like this make things harder. We (healthcare/governments) have not done a good job with nuance with regard to vaccine.

Sorry I think my use of 100% has made my point unclear. I used it as a figure of speech. I wasn’t saying they were 100% effective. I wasn’t saying that they stopped transmission by 100%.

What I was trying to say is that they definitely do reduce transmissions. They stop people from transmitting the virus to others by preventing people from contracting it in the first place.

That is what I meant. They absolutely do stop transmission. Not for everyone as they don’t prevent everyone from getting it. But they do indeed stop transmission for a significant proportion of people.

Apologies for my poorly worded comment.

 

[RAFUH]

Sorry I think my use of 100% has made my point unclear. I used it as a figure of speech. I wasn’t saying they were 100% effective. I wasn’t saying that they stopped transmission by 100%.

What I was trying to say is that they definitely do reduce transmissions. They stop people from transmitting the virus to others by preventing people from contracting it in the first place.

That is what I meant. They absolutely do stop transmission. Not for everyone as they don’t prevent everyone from getting it. But they do indeed stop transmission for a significant proportion of people.

Apologies for my poorly worded comment.

No need to apologize. We've all done it. I've told folks a "flu shot will stop you getting flu" because that's easy, but it isn't quite accurate and I think now with the vaccine hesitant it has come around to bite us on the butt. The sales pitch was - get the vaccine to stop COVID - then we had all these breakthrough cases and transmissions.

It's all changed how I talk to patients about vaccines.