Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Why if you’re 80+ would you not get vaccinated? Even if you believed the vaccine was a ticking time bomb, you have what, 5-10 years left if you’re lucky? Maybe more, but cognitive decline would be very likely anyway.

Also instead of demonising younger people when at this point the risk to them is evident, why are we not demonising those who are actually vulnerable to this disease and refusing to be vaccinated? They’re the ones burdening our healthcare. Vaccine passports for Mecca bingo.
I agree that I can’t understand why the elderly would not get vaccinated unless there is a medical reason, some doctors don’t recommend if undergoing cancer treatment for instance, they are clearly the most vulnerable and vaccines make a huge reduction to that.

However burdening healthcare isn’t just about deaths, the highest number of unvaccinated requiring hospitalization in UK is in the 30-50 age group. Good chance they will survive but could well require use of an icu bed.
 
Nice. I wish I could find it to link, but a while back I saw a Tweet where a doctor/scientist challenged some anti-vaxxer by posting a long list of chemical compounds, and asking them that since they'd done their research, which of those things specifically they objected to being put in their body. The anti-vaxxer had some dumb reply like, "Ummm, all of them", to which the doctor quickly responded with, "Interesting...because that list I posted was chemical composition of an apple."

I've seen similar, but using blood instead of an apple
 
UK Covid booster not necessary for all, says Oxford jab scientist Sarah Gilbert
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Probably no wonder she's saying you don't need a booster unless your immune system isn't working properly.


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Memory Cells​

If your body fights a virus once, the same virus will probably try to attack again. After all the work it took to get rid of that first infection, it would be a shame to have to do it all over again. An amazing feature of your immune system is that it remembers the infections it has fought. This makes it much easier to fight the same virus or bacteria a second, or third, or fourth time.

A Memory cell never forgets

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Toward the end of each battle to stop an infection, some T-cells and B-cells turn into Memory T-cells and Memory B-cells. As you would expect from their names, these cells remember the virus or bacteria they just fought. These cells live in the body for a long time, even after all the viruses from the first infection have been destroyed. They stay in the ready-mode to quickly recognize and attack any returning viruses or bacteria.

Quickly making lots of antibodies can stop an infection in its tracks. The first time your body fights a virus, it can take up to 15 days to make enough antibodies to get rid of it. With the help of Memory B-cells, the second time your body sees that virus, it can do the same in thing 5 days. It also makes 100 times more antibodies than it did the first time. The faster your body makes antibodies, the quicker the virus can be destroyed. With the help of Memory B-cells, you might get rid of it before you even feel sick. This is called gaining immunity.

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This graph shows how Memory Cells help you to better fight infections. At day 0, someone catches a virus. At day 10, her B-cells start making antibodies, and by day 15 she’s made enough antibodies to destroy all the viruses. Now, she doesn’t make any more antibodies, so fewer and fewer are left in her body. At day 40, the same virus gets in her body again. Since she has Memory B-cells prepared to fight, she can quickly make 100 times more antibodies than she did during the first infection.
Building Memory Cells without getting sick

If you get an infection, you can build up immunity to that specific virus. Another way to get immunity is to get a vaccine. Vaccines are very weak or dead versions of a virus or bacteria that prepare your Memory Cells to fight that specific virus or bacteria. Since vaccines help you gain immunity without getting sick, they are especially good protection for very dangerous illnesses.

Vaccinations in history

The first successful vaccine was against smallpox in 1796. Smallpox is caused by a very contagious and deadly virus. Back then, smallpox was especially scary because people knew so little about viruses, bacteria, or how the immune system works.

It was Dr. Edward Jenner who noticed that young women who milked cows usually caught cowpox, but rarely caught smallpox. He thought maybe getting cowpox prevented getting smallpox.

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To test his idea, Dr. Jenner tried infecting people with cowpox on purpose, and then exposed them to smallpox. Amazingly, they didn’t catch smallpox. He didn’t know exactly how it worked, but we now know that cowpox and smallpox have antigens with similar shapes. This means that Memory Cells to fight cowpox can also fight smallpox. Because vacca means cow in Latin, Dr. Jenner called this type of disease prevention vaccination.

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After Dr. Jenner’s discovery, it became common to vaccinate everyone against smallpox. It has been so successful that since 1979 there have been no smallpox infections.

Today, we have many vaccines to protect us from getting sick. Most of these are shots, but some scientists are working on vaccines made in plants that you can eat. This might mean one day you won’t get a vaccine shot, you’ll just enjoy a vaccine smoothie!
 
Hospital figures - 143 deaths were announced today, up 12 on yesterday and up 31 on last Friday. 118 deaths were in English hospitals, up 19 on yesterday and up 41 on last week. The 7 day rolling average rises to 111.14

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 147 deaths were announced today, down 20 on yesterday and up 26 on last Friday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 135.29

There was no data announced today for the 60 day cut off
 
It has been a really long week, so perhaps I'm missing something obvious. I did read the underlying stats and couldn't work it out. Why do the total deaths, both vaxxed and unvaxxed only add up to 60.4% rather than 100 ?
The graph isn’t showing the % as a breakdown of total deaths. It’s showing the fatality rate as a % of each individual cohort.
 



I think this is what a lot of people are forgetting from last year. Even if you weren't directly getting ill or dying in hospitals from covid,. Covid is still impacting people getting treatment for other illnesses. Very sad.
 



I think this is what a lot of people are forgetting from last year. Even if you weren't directly getting ill or dying in hospitals from covid,. Covid is still impacting people getting treatment for other illnesses. Very sad.
That's government strategy isn't it? Maximising the impact of the pandemic.
 
I see Ivermectin didn't kill Seth Rogan and he's back at 'work'.

Pretty much like 10's of thousands of others not reported in the Media.
 
I see Ivermectin didn't kill Seth Rogan and he's back at 'work'.

Pretty much like 10's of thousands of others not reported in the Media.
I think you mean Joe Rogan. And, yes, that piece of trash is back at the hard “work” of spreading misinformation, peddling quack science, and generally making the pandemic worse than it has to be in this country.
 
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