Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Tipp blue said:
4 and a half million, incredible, TB kills almost 2 million a year not much about that I'd go as far to say that most people couldn't give a (insert your preferred profanity here)... and that's easly treated.
The coming years will show exactly how much of an overreaction this was when numbers of people dying of cancer and other treatable diseases that wasn't caught at the crucial early stage is higher than those that died from covid.
When the mental health of a nation is allowed to go down the toilet because face to face meetings with doctors are cancled equals overreaction.
Declaring clothes as non essential items equals overreaction.
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I don’t think anyone is disputing that cancer, mental health and lots of other issues are currently, and likely to be for a while, a lot higher than normal for a few years due to delayed treatment and care.

But if a hospital is overflowing with COVID patients that makes that problem worse not better - several hospitals had to cancel their cancer operations due to the most recent spike for instance
www.independent.co.uk

Cancer surgeries cancelled at one of England’s largest hospitals as NHS summer crisis deepens

Exclusive: Senior doctors warn of rising Covid admissions and A&E department overwhelmed at Leeds Teaching Hospitals Trust
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
and cancer patients are among those at the highest risk of bad Covid outcomes and often are having treatment that makes the vaccines less effective.

The best way to ensure that other medical issues are treated fast and with the required medical staff is to keep COVID levels low, hence the use of masks along with other NPIs combined with vaccines.
 
Tipp blue said:
4 and a half million, incredible, TB kills almost 2 million a year not much about that I'd go as far to say that most people couldn't give a (insert your preferred profanity here)... and that's easly treated.
The coming years will show exactly how much of an overreaction this was when numbers of people dying of cancer and other treatable diseases that wasn't caught at the crucial early stage is higher than those that died from covid.
When the mental health of a nation is allowed to go down the toilet because face to face meetings with doctors are cancled equals overreaction.
Declaring clothes as non essential items equals overreaction.
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er - most of the population is vaccinated against TB, and if people do have it and refuse treatment they are detained in hospital until the treatment is given (it takes around half a year)

is that what you are proposing here? if so game on
 
tsubaki said:
er - most of the population is vaccinated against TB, and if people do have it and refuse treatment they are detained in hospital until the treatment is given (it takes around half a year)

is that what you are proposing here? if so game on
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1.2 million every year die of TB worldwide.. as if to prove my point that we in the richer countries don't care about the fact that people in poor countries have to live with TB and other killer communicable diseases every day and have done for generations.. you say most of the population is vaccinated without even considering people in countries that don't have the means to vaccinate their populations.
 
Tipp blue said:
1.2 million every year die of TB worldwide.. as if to prove my point that we in the richer countries don't care about the fact that people in poor countries have to live with TB and other killer communicable diseases every day and have done for generations.. you say most of the population is vaccinated without even considering people in countries that don't have the means to vaccinate their populations.
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Cant believe we are still having this disease tit for tat nonsense after 18 months of this.
 
Hospital figures - 19 deaths were announced today, no figures to compare to from yesterday but it’s up 3 on last Monday. 15 deaths were in English hospitals, again nothing to compare from yesterday but it is up 8 on last week. The 7 day rolling average rises to 72.29

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 37 deaths were announced today, down 2 on yesterday and up 13 on last Monday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 87.71

For the 60 day cut off, 36 deaths were announced today, down 18 on yesterday and up 10 on last Monday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 96.86
 
roydo said:
Cant believe we are still having this disease tit for tat nonsense after 18 months of this.
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It is hard to believe and harder still to believe is that governments haven't done anything to stop the need for the conversion.
 
roydo said:
Cant believe we are still having this disease tit for tat nonsense after 18 months of this.
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Particularly as in this case TB patients are particularly at risk for serious COVID illness and those countries where it is prevalent should be among those taking the most active steps to reduce Covid outbreaks.

Treating TB During the Time of COVID-19 | CDC

In Namibia, community health workers continue to treat and care for TB patients during COVID-19.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
This is particularly worrying during the COVID-19 pandemic because both TB and COVID-19 affect the lungs. Globally, there is mounting evidence that patients with chronic respiratory diseases, including TB, are at increased risk for severe illness or dying from COVID-19.
 
Tipp blue said:
4 and a half million, incredible, TB kills almost 2 million a year not much about that I'd go as far to say that most people couldn't give a (insert your preferred profanity here)... and that's easly treated.
The coming years will show exactly how much of an overreaction this was when numbers of people dying of cancer and other treatable diseases that wasn't caught at the crucial early stage is higher than those that died from covid.
When the mental health of a nation is allowed to go down the toilet because face to face meetings with doctors are cancled equals overreaction.
Declaring clothes as non essential items equals overreaction.
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Lol sorry, I didn't realise that 4 and a half million dead people was so unimpressive to you.

TB kills about 10 people in Ireland a year, about 500 a year in the US. The reason that is so low is because it's highly treatable and manageable. Conversely, Covid has killed over 5,000 people in Ireland and over 600,000 people in the US in a similar timeframe. Because it hasn't been anything close to manageable up until now and, even then, we're still trying to understand the disease and have had to go to extreme lengths to contain it until we do.

Your argument appears to be that, since TB is still such an enormous problem in the third world, that we should just let Covid rip through our own population and let our hospitals fill up. You argue that we should have done so from the start, even though it would have undoubtedly increased the rates of death significantly and put insane pressure on our health service. You look like a monumental balloon here Tipp, give your head a wobble
 
Tipp blue said:
1.2 million every year die of TB worldwide.. as if to prove my point that we in the richer countries don't care about the fact that people in poor countries have to live with TB and other killer communicable diseases every day and have done for generations.. you say most of the population is vaccinated without even considering people in countries that don't have the means to vaccinate their populations.
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You say most rich countries don’t care but they take quite severe steps to prevent TB getting a foothold in their own countries.
 
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