Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Mrk]

One rule for them one rule for the rest of us...

Foreign executives will avoid quarantine if they bring 'significant economic benefit' to UK

Executives whose work could create more than 500 jobs in the UK are to get partial exemption from quarantine in bid to boost economy

www.telegraph.co.uk

Sounds... quite sensible? In terms of risk/reward, anyway.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Sounds... quite sensible? In terms of risk/reward, anyway.

Just like Hancock and his bit on side, it's a vote puller for other oppositions, so happy to take the reward.

 

[grandjoeblue]

It would be interesting to see this updated now..

We've increased slightly but we're still only just about reaching the yellow line for hospitalisations which was the 'best case' scenario.

 

[Mrk]

Just like Hancock and his bit on side, it's a vote puller for other oppositions, so happy to take the reward.

That's the spirit! Everyone's a winner - we get more jobs and Labour jump to 31% in the polls.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

That's the spirit! Everyone's a winner - we get more jobs and Labour jump to 31% in the polls.

Obviously coronavirus knows who its betters are, and not to effect the wealthy elite. Its a clever virus, or is it just stupid people...
Anyway read the guidelines nothing to do with more jobs, if a company is operating at the arbitrary figure set already executives avoid quarantine.

 

[Mrk]

Obviously coronavirus knows who its betters are, and not to effect the wealthy elite. Its a clever virus, or is it just stupid people...

It's a well-known fact that it avoids people who have the ability to create over 500 jobs.

 

[Tubey]

It would be interesting to see this updated now..

The modelling has been atrocious throughout. Its why "follow the science" is a flawed argument as the science will always overestimate the danger.

We don't elect scientists. It's up to the politicians to make decisions in the best interest of the populace with the weight of all available evidence, not just that provided by epidemiologists.

There's no real reason restrictions should not be lifted in full right now. All we're doing now is murdering entire business sectors.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

It's a well-known fact that it avoids people who have the ability to create over 500 jobs.

Says a poster who probably now exhibiting the behaviour of an expert who educated themselves on such matters of viruses by watching YouTube in their underpants.

Lunch over toodle pip!

 

[Mrk]

Says a poster who probably now exhibiting the behaviour of an expert who educated themselves on such matters of viruses by watching YouTube in their underpants.

Lunch over toodle pip!

Eh? Where did that come from? lol

I wouldn't mind if I'd said something contentious - I was literally agreeing with your point.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Watching Wimbledon, Zverev plays Griekspoor, packed center court, no mask to be seen, everybody -as before- enjoy their time, drinking and chatting (only between points)

Hopefully it stays like this.

 

[Haydn]

There's no way masks on transport, in shops etc are going away within three weeks.

And therein lies the problem in achieving a return to "normal" especially in London. If the guidance / regulations remain, that masks must still be worn on public transport and elsewhere, due to the ongoing risk, how do you convince people that it's safe to squeeze in a lift with 30 other people, to get to and from their office ?

I agree that it would be illogical to think, that what is necessary and sensible on the 18th July, can somehow be completely ditched on the 19th. As the responsibility for employee safety rests with the employer in the workplace, someone is going to have to come up with some pretty clever guidance. It's great for Johnson and others to decree that everyone should go back to normal on the19th, it's a different thing entirely to make it happen - safely.

 

[dannyboy]

It'll be interesting to see how the figures go over the next days. I do think at worst they need to be stabilising.

People spoke yesterday about how it's not a problem for it to rip through the country as long as hospitalisations stay down and that is definitely true for a short period but in the long run we've got hundreds of thousands of children missing school and people missing work.

 

[tsubaki]

It'll be interesting to see how the figures go over the next days. I do think at worst they need to be stabilising.

People spoke yesterday about how it's not a problem for it to rip through the country as long as hospitalisations stay down and that is definitely true for a short period but in the long run we've got hundreds of thousands of children missing school and people missing work.

Plus there is the question of what do we do with a variant that the vaccines provide less protection against. If there are thousands and thousands of cases in the community already it’s way too late contain except via a lockdown.

 

[BlueToff]

TBF “gammon day” is a bit more accurate than “freedom day” - I mean, if you don’t think unlocking everything irrespective of the obvious risk on the 19th it doesn’t mean you hate freedom or even that you don’t want to go back to a free society.

I don't think anyone - that isn't a gammon - really does think or expect us to 'open everything', even if the deaths would suggest actually we really should be able to.

The government need to clear up what they mean but I think we all know they probably don't yet know themselves.

 

[BlueToff]

Plus there is the question of what do we do with a variant that the vaccines provide less protection against. If there are thousands and thousands of cases in the community already it’s way too late contain except via a lockdown.

There's no evidence that any of the vaccines provide less protection from being ill or death though, is there.

The basics are there and people's immune systems are mostly enough. With the added bonus of the vaccine, the majority are absolutely fine.

The risk would be a variant that is totally immune developing but wouldn't that go against the history of every single virus ever? It is very unlikely that a variant of such potency will develop, but to insure that vulnerable/older groups have extra protection, the answer will be boosters which they're working on and it looks like they'll be out with the flu jab in the autumn? But in the meantime you just have to keep using what you have, seeing what happens as you reopen.

Risks have to be taken. The vaccines are offering massive mitigation against those risks - as we're seeing right now.