Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

Status
Not open for further replies.
Reading this forum, it's obvious most posters are knowledgeable and pretty clued in about the origins, dangers and potential ramifications. The folks who are out drinking or getting a tan on the beach. They'll going to find out unfortunately for many, too late. But that's normalcy bias.

As the coming days, weeks or months pass. Some of us here might get it or our loved one's. Whatever happens I hope best wishes to everybody. And I'd like to thank GoT for giving a forum where we can share information and help us get through this troubling time.

And we will get through it by support and helping others.
 
For a guy who has worked with the WHO to eradicate both smallpox and polio that statement kinda jumps out doesn’t it :(
Lots of other stuff jumps out as well, his resolute determination in seeing the ways this will end and the unprecedented scientific resources that will be thrown at it.
Also reads very very badly for trump, a reminder that we all as voters need to pay attention to the actions of men like him and catastrophic consequences they csn have further down the line. His defenders say its okay to keep calling it the china virus because they want accountability, well that door swings both ways
 
We´ve paid for austerity every single day since it was implemented and after this what will 10 years of cuts actually achieved? The last decade is pinned on a legacy of preacarious jobs that can be binned off within literally seconds. It´s no wonder we´re looking down the barrel of a smoking gun.

I don't support austerity (though Labour did leave the country in a huge mess last time, I know that much). I've voted Labour in every election I could since I turned 18 (though begrudgingly last time. I won't vote Tory and Lib Dems are hopeless. I voted Labour for a lack of better options, really. I didn't think they'd get in and was in no way surprised to see them get trounced).

On the jobs front - well, a lot of people are freelance now (like me). It's not just on the gov. The gov didn't force me into a career where freelancing is actually the best way in, for example. I took a gamble last year to leave my full-time employment (which was in the private sector) and take on full-time freelancing (again in the private sector). My first year was a big success (both in terms of what I earned - I got more work than I had expected - and fulfilment in doing a job I loved and getting some really good opportunities (interviewed Tyson Fury in February, for example).

But I didn't bet on a pandemic coming. I mean, who did in terms of job selection?

So me and a lot of other freelancers in the sports industry are now up the duff. I can't blame anyone else. I will and have looked to the government for help because I need it to help me keep afloat while I look for other work while there is no sport on. Once I have that other work I will stop any credit I get of course. I don't want to be funded by the state. I want to be independent and earn my own money and have my own career. I'm almost ashamed of having to apply for UC and JSA. It's something I've never even considered. Then again, I've worked since I was 16 so never had to consider it until now.

I can only speak from personal experience. I don't know anyone on a 0-hour contract other than myself (I don't have a contract - but as I said, I made that choice to be freelance. I can't blame anyone else). I obviously know that people on 0-hour contracts have been laid off in this scenario. Hopefully this funding helps prevent more of that. I have a friend who worked for an app (which relied on the hospitality trade) which has now gone under in the space of a few days who has lost his job, but he wasn't on a 0-hour contract either.

It's a complete mess and I'm not saying the last 10 years have been good or helped. But the money is here now when it's needed. I guess it's going to have to be paid for by higher taxes. I'd like to think that those higher taxes will mainly be big business.

Like I said, I want Labour in because I'd be sure in this situation they would make do what they could to ensure the taxes came from the rich not the poorest. But they're not in and the party was a mess last year (still is but now's not the time for that ultimately).
 
The scary thing is that even increasing VAT to 30% wouldn’t come close to paying off the national debt caused by these actions in a decade.

What's your thoughts on it though Brennan in terms of the actual act itself.

I mean, it was needed. The government would very rightly be getting vilified if they hadn't done it.

I'm not saying it goes far enough. For a lot of people (myself and a lot of others on here who are self-employed (but not available for business grants)) it doesn't cover us - at least yet.

But we clearly needed such an injection just to even come close to keeping the country going? Just want your take on it.

I'm not good enough with how the tax system works etc. I just know that this'll cost in the long run but imo it had to be done.

Again I'll come back to my original point of I think all of this could have been, not prevented, but negated somewhat if there had been a better, unified effort from our government and governments across Europe to be more prepared for this. More beds, more equipment, more tests, most importantly. We've had weeks and weeks. Not saying it would have stopped it. But think it would have started 'flattening the curve' before we even got into the main hit. It really seems we could have at least been a step ahead of the virus had we been proactive instead of - in the main - reactive, though I appreciate it's a totally unprecedented situation in modern times.
 
So my lady and I have a lot of friends who work in the restaurant industry here in the States. Asked around and the general feedback is "no more than 10" is being enforced here BUT it's in groups of X. So if they have a bar area, that's 10. 2 or 3 dining areas? That's 10 as well. Just found that a bit weird. Our local spot just did a big expansion literally the day before we were mostly all told to self isolate, said sales are down 60%. Genuinely don't know how we can get these places throuhg this without some massive package to everyone.

Lastly, screw everyone who is diminishing this. Where I live there were lines down the street on Tuesday for Irish bars and they were all packed. Im glad their proverbial last pissup was worth risking the lives of everyone else. Shocker in the "majority were 21-25" but those kids have parents and grandparents. It's like they have blinders to how this is really going to affect a large swath of lives.
 

She’s right about “Nothing happened to your family” from a health perspective, but that’s still going to be a hard sell to entrepreneurs who lose their businesses and banks start foreclosing on homes. Sure people may still be alive, but (financially) their lives will be ruined.

This is obviously an extremely serious illness, but the looming economic disaster if the US actually does just shut it’s economy down is the bigger threat in my opinion. I’m fortunate to be fairly young and fairly healthy, so on a scale of 1 to 10 I’d rate my fear of the actual virus about a 3, and my fear of shutting the economy down for any prolonged period at about an 11.
 
But I don’t see how you can completely divorce them either. Some actions, taken both months ago and recently, make a country less able to identify and react well to this crisis even when given ample warning.



I’m sympathetic to the concept that you shouldn’t “play politics” but what about accountability? Especially when it is still influencing current response?


The decisions themselves were political so it’s very hard not to play politics.

Trump blatantly said he didn’t want higher numbers
 
This isn't about politics anymore. The time to argue that is gone. Decisions have been made and we all have to live with them. History will judge.

What is tremendously important however is raising awareness. Whether in local communities or government. The only way we are going to minimize loss and suffering is working together.

Follow guidelines and act responsibly. We're entering into a period that none of us have experienced. Mistakes will be made. We're faced with an unknown enemy that can strike indiscriminately and without warning.

Knowledge is power, trust the experts, trust in your public servants. They will do their utmost to protect you. This will prey on rich and poor alike. Everyone will be effected. But we will get through this.
 
So my lady and I have a lot of friends who work in the restaurant industry here in the States. Asked around and the general feedback is "no more than 10" is being enforced here BUT it's in groups of X. So if they have a bar area, that's 10. 2 or 3 dining areas? That's 10 as well. Just found that a bit weird. Our local spot just did a big expansion literally the day before we were mostly all told to self isolate, said sales are down 60%. Genuinely don't know how we can get these places throuhg this without some massive package to everyone.

Lastly, screw everyone who is diminishing this. Where I live there were lines down the street on Tuesday for Irish bars and they were all packed. Im glad their proverbial last pissup was worth risking the lives of everyone else. Shocker in the "majority were 21-25" but those kids have parents and grandparents. It's like they have blinders to how this is really going to affect a large swath of lives.

It will be definitely hard for small businesses that require on foot flow thats for sure.

What they are doing here the eatery's and bars that is curbside pickup and using their staff to do deliveries and help prep the curbside thing etc.... Well the popular spots any. San Diego that is also.

They split the curbside into sections also and so one server doesn't go to more than their fare share etc....

Craft brewers are also using their distribution vehicles to deliver beer to local people. Seen as their tasting rooms and subsequent sales have and will take a dip.

Also i am not surprised that spring breaker age group types are ignoring it. Given the amounts on beaches also. I would normally be shocked but seen as the younger elements don't seem to care to vote and take interest in anything other than their social lives it seems quite normal they wouldn't comply.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome

Join the Everton conversation today.
Fewer ads, full access, completely free.

🛒 Visit Shop

Support Grand Old Team by checking out our latest Everton gear!
Back
Top