Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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Last time I looked you were on the ale.....
No probs mate.I bit @Bruce Wayne for his comment.I shouldn't have and I am sorry for that.Times like this should be about pulling together not arguing with each other and saying things we don't mean.
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Reading some stats on the virus out of curiousity , I can't help but go back to the way the media is presenting this information.
At the end of the day for someone who is vunrable to the virus numbers don't matter , which I think we can all agree on.
But there is 171000 cases around the world right now reportedly of the virus. The amount that are classed as mild symptoms , 95% or in numbers 163000 (rounding down).
I've said it before but this isn't being reported in the media , certainly not in the UK media from all the sources I come accross. There should be worry and panic around the world for those 5% , but for the 95% of the infected, it's mild, it's no different , dare I say, to getting the flu.
I know I'm not meant to compare the flu to covid-19 as social media keeps telling me but on the majority , according to the data out there it's acting no different. In fact the number of deaths in the us between October and February for the flu could be around 30000 (couldn't get my head around the UK data sorry). So 30000 deaths in a 5 month period.
In 2 months, covid-19 has killed just over 220 people in America , that number could well rise significantly in the next 3 months and then you get a good comparison. However given 30000 died with a flu vaccine readily available, even if that number is similar at the end of the period, it's only affecting people much the same way.
Which is my point I guess. The reason why the shops are empty by 8am every day, why you can't buy toilet roll anymore and why the whole population (not government) is in such a panic is because if that 5%. Everyone believes they are that 5% and act accordingly yet chances are they are the 95%.
There are reasons why there is a 5% critical rate which is again much the same as another Corona virus that can be caught at any time. Underlying health issues being the key term in the small print of every article headline.
If that 95% was communicated out then people wouldn't panic. It's really not and that's the problem. I'm not taking that from on here , or people who actually know what they are taking about. I'm talking about the likes of me, all the people on social media , tik tok and the rest of them. They are only aware of the 5% and act like they are that.
As I will always say, people should be worried about this virus , but not the ones outside Asda at 6am every day now.
At the end of the day for someone who is vunrable to the virus numbers don't matter , which I think we can all agree on.
But there is 171000 cases around the world right now reportedly of the virus. The amount that are classed as mild symptoms , 95% or in numbers 163000 (rounding down).
I've said it before but this isn't being reported in the media , certainly not in the UK media from all the sources I come accross. There should be worry and panic around the world for those 5% , but for the 95% of the infected, it's mild, it's no different , dare I say, to getting the flu.
I know I'm not meant to compare the flu to covid-19 as social media keeps telling me but on the majority , according to the data out there it's acting no different. In fact the number of deaths in the us between October and February for the flu could be around 30000 (couldn't get my head around the UK data sorry). So 30000 deaths in a 5 month period.
In 2 months, covid-19 has killed just over 220 people in America , that number could well rise significantly in the next 3 months and then you get a good comparison. However given 30000 died with a flu vaccine readily available, even if that number is similar at the end of the period, it's only affecting people much the same way.
Which is my point I guess. The reason why the shops are empty by 8am every day, why you can't buy toilet roll anymore and why the whole population (not government) is in such a panic is because if that 5%. Everyone believes they are that 5% and act accordingly yet chances are they are the 95%.
There are reasons why there is a 5% critical rate which is again much the same as another Corona virus that can be caught at any time. Underlying health issues being the key term in the small print of every article headline.
If that 95% was communicated out then people wouldn't panic. It's really not and that's the problem. I'm not taking that from on here , or people who actually know what they are taking about. I'm talking about the likes of me, all the people on social media , tik tok and the rest of them. They are only aware of the 5% and act like they are that.
As I will always say, people should be worried about this virus , but not the ones outside Asda at 6am every day now.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
So who had "Boris Johnson to become leader of the most socialist British Government in living memory" on their 2020 prediction card?
tbf, he’s done what was needed......
I genuinely assumed your post was a joke, or a weird innuendo, so made a crap pun. I didn’t think you were being literal. I was clearly wrong.
So, I’m sorry.
Like I said mate no problem.5 MINS OF meaningless typing from me and Bruce.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
My bar tab is more than twice that ffs.....
Where are you getting your data mate?
The WHO China study had this and the rates from Europe etc seem to suggest high hospitalization rates unfortunately.
Most people infected with COVID-19 virus have mild disease and recover. Approximately 80% of laboratory confirmed patients have had mild to moderate disease, which includes non-pneumonia and pneumonia cases, 13.8% have severe disease (dyspnea, respiratory frequency ≥30/minute, blood oxygen saturation ≤93%, PaO2/FiO2 ratio <300, and/or lung infiltrates >50% of the lung field within 24-48 hours) and 6.1% are critical (respiratory failure, septic shock, and/or multiple organ dysfunction/failure). Asymptomatic infection has been reported, but the majority of the relatively rare cases who are asymptomatic on the date of identification/report went on to develop disease. The proportion of truly asymptomatic infections is unclear but appears to be relatively rare and does not appear to be a major driver of transmission.
Just watched that video from the hospital in Lombardy again. Never seen anything like it before. Awful scenes.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Not really. Certain barrels have been put aside for my own use. Certain kegs will be used at village ‘meetings’, we may have to order more tbh....
Kenshin
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That's where the data was from
Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,307,410 Cases and 2,842,464 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
www.worldometers.info
I need to stay away from Reddit.
Kenshin
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The point I'm trying to make is that that information isnt being communicated out, not by the media at least in the UK.
Because for every person like yourself who is clued up on these sorts of things , thousands more aren't , they are getting the 5% information from the news and acting accordingly . That's where the panic is coming from everywhere, well from the UK as that is my personal experience.
If people knew they had a good chance of just having mild symptoms they wouldn't worry or panic about it. I can guarantee you everyone who is panicking who shouldn't be about the virus itself believe if they catch it then they end up in hospital or even dead. When that isn't the reality of it. People can do , and in rare circumstances it can hospitalise a healthy person but then so can anything.
This perspective is from social media. I see it every day, people fear for their lives when they have no reason to. They can fear for their loved ones lives who are more susceptible to the virus but that's not the case. So the majority panic buyer for example is thinking for only themselves and they could have already had the virus and not even known they did.
If you go on BBC news right now , sky news , metro, any newspaper etc here in the UK you will get the most extreme news about the virus. Which is fine if they offered the balance but they don't. People believe this is the second coming of the plague when statistically it isnt?
The point I'm trying to make is that that information isnt being communicated out, not by the media at least in the UK.
Because for every person like yourself who is clued up on these sorts of things , thousands more aren't , they are getting the 5% information from the news and acting accordingly . That's where the panic is coming from everywhere, well from the UK as that is my personal experience.
If people knew they had a good chance of just having mild symptoms they wouldn't worry or panic about it. I can guarantee you everyone who is panicking who shouldn't be about the virus itself believe if they catch it then they end up in hospital or even dead. When that isn't the reality of it. People can do , and in rare circumstances it can hospitalise a healthy person but then so can anything.
This perspective is from social media. I see it every day, people fear for their lives when they have no reason to. They can fear for their loved ones lives who are more susceptible to the virus but that's not the case. So the majority panic buyer for example is thinking for only themselves and they could have already had the virus and not even known they did.
If you go on BBC news right now , sky news , metro, any newspaper etc here in the UK you will get the most extreme news about the virus. Which is fine if they offered the balance but they don't. People believe this is the second coming of the plague when statistically it isnt?
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