Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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BlueToff said:
I mean it was March. IIRC last Feb you were spouting that it was all a media conspiracy.

They locked down probably 10-14 days too late last year. Maybe even a week would have done it to really help. I remember because around my birthday everything was (relatively) normal - so the 9th of March - other than people being told to wash hands, use sanitizer etc etc (but i remember that kind of stuff with swine flu).

Within 4 days, the PL had shut down and suddenly everything was like, Christ.

By the 16th - I remember going for a coffee and the place was eerily quiet. Obviously a few days later that and everything else was shut.

It was probably that week - 9th to 16th - that was the crucial one. And yeah, a massive failing. Also Valance presenting that chart which forecasted peak deaths to hit in 3 months and they quickly realised how wrong they were. All happened around that week (believe that Valance graph was the Thursday 19th/Friday 20th).
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No I wasn't. I said it was overplayed, not that it was concocted. Then when evidence to the contrary appeared, I took up the position I've held since.

Thanks for allwoing me to clarify...for the umpteenth time.
 
BlueToff said:
@davek obviously in hindsight, if the country had gone into hermit mode in February and banned all travel, then yes, we might have come close to replicating the 'success' (loosely) seen elsewhere.

But last February, it wasn't really even been considered across most western nations it seems. The only major country that managed to time their lockdown right in Europe last year was Germany – Spain and Italy were badly hit. France just about got away with it.
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They all locked down 10 days to a cpuple of weeks prior to this country...and that's why they have a lower per capita fatality rate than the UK does. Unless you think that's just luck?

What point are you attempting to make here?
 
Barnfred 55 said:
How is that sloppy when one is an interim finding and one a final one. What is it exactly that makes it sloppy?
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And indeed this is apparently part of the process of a rolling review for approval. They all do and update information as it comes in. What doesn’t normally happen is one part of the approval group going public.....
 
BlueToff said:
@davek obviously in hindsight, if the country had gone into hermit mode in February and banned all travel, then yes, we might have come close to replicating the 'success' (loosely) seen elsewhere.

But last February, it wasn't really even been considered across most western nations it seems. The only major country that managed to time their lockdown right in Europe last year was Germany – Spain and Italy were badly hit. France just about got away with it.
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Being an island should have helped, Japan is a good model of how it should have been handled. Mainland European countries would have obviously struggled with land border security whenever they had attempted it.
 
davek said:
No I wasn't. I said it was overplayed, not that it was concocted. Then when evidence to the contrary appeared, I took up the position I've held since.

Thanks for allwoing me to clarify...for the umpteenth time.
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My point was, last February, very few countries were locking down. In hindsight, it was obviously the right thing to do, but there'd have been absolute uproar when it happened.
 
davids said:
Being an island should have helped, Japan is a good model of how it should have been handled. Mainland European countries would have obviously struggled with land border security whenever they had attempted it.
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Yes, it would have helped.

We wouldn't have had anywhere near the success of NZ or Australia - they aren't massive trade hubs or travel hubs or densely populated.

Japan have on their side the fact that a lot of their population are much more adapted to stuff like this (well, the risk of it) than we are in the west. Their attitude towards masks etc - it was all already there.

We absolutely should have done it, though.

My point was, if we'd had done it last February, while in hindsight that should have been the case, realistically it was never going to happen.

The lockdown should probably have been the week commencing March 9th - around about then. Realistically, that was the time it should have been done, and not just by using hindsight to say well really February was the ideal time.

Italy was getting hit hard around then (early March) and Spain too.
 
davek said:
They all locked down 10 days to a cpuple of weeks prior to this country...and that's why they have a lower per capita fatality rate than the UK does. Unless you think that's just luck?

What point are you attempting to make here?
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My point is that - without using hindsight (because at the time you can't use hindsight) - then with all the data we had available, the time that we should absolutely have locked down was around March 9th. That week.

We all but shut everything on the 20th and by the 23rd it was full lockdown.

So there's your 10-14 days.

It's a pretty simple point. Not hard to grasp.

You saying 'should have locked down in February' is fine, but that's using hindsight.

In hindsight, Italy should have locked down a week earlier, at least. Spain should have done too. But that's hindsight for you.
 
Our yes but, but no but PM is at it again over vaccine passports now! Can't 1922 hurry and do away with this floundering fool..

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peteblue said:
And indeed this is apparently part of the process of a rolling review for approval. They all do and update information as it comes in. What doesn’t normally happen is one part of the approval group going public.....
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Indeed. And is it a coincidence that the head of the NIAID, who released the press statement and in doing so went against all previous protocols, is also chief advisor to President Biden on all things covid.?

Anybody with an enquiring mind would think that they may be trying to downplay the benefits of the AZ vaccine, that just happens to be on the market at a fraction of the price of the 3 American owned pharmaceutical companies.
 
BlueToff said:
@davek obviously in hindsight, if the country had gone into hermit mode in February and banned all travel, then yes, we might have come close to replicating the 'success' (loosely) seen elsewhere.

But last February, it wasn't really even been considered across most western nations it seems. The only major country that managed to time their lockdown right in Europe last year was Germany – Spain and Italy were badly hit. France just about got away with it.
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To read your posts you'd be hard pressed to explain why this country HAS THE WORST PER CAPITA FATLAITY RATE OF ANY SIGNIFICANTLY SIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

Why are you avoiding acknowledging that the government of the day in this country bears all the responsibility for that? Why?
 
davek said:
To read your posts you'd be hard pressed to explain why this country HAS THE WORST PER CAPITA FATLAITY RATE OF ANY SIGNIFICANTLY SIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

Why are you avoiding acknowledging that the government of the day in this country bears all the responsibility for that? Why?
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I'm not ffs

They should have locked down much earlier. In hindsight - a year on - we can say that the UK, and every bloody European nation, should have locked down in February. But that's using hindsight.

With the data we had available at the time, and scenes in Italy and Spain, the latest we should have locked down was around the 9th/10th March - so basically, 2 weeks before we actually did.
 
davek said:
To read your posts you'd be hard pressed to explain why this country HAS THE WORST PER CAPITA FATLAITY RATE OF ANY SIGNIFICANTLY SIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

Why are you avoiding acknowledging that the government of the day in this country bears all the responsibility for that? Why?
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The simple and sane reason is because there are a host of other reasons. That isnt defending anyone btw, its just different to wanting to pin every single death on one person, which is an unhealthy obsession.
 
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