Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Not buying the 'brought to heel' argument, but it's in the UK interest to reduce tension with the EU about vaccines (and vice versa).

Our attempt to push India for greater export has seemingly fallen flat, so we need the EU (as they need our assistance).
100%, they need to work together.

I don't think it's a failure on either aspect. They should have been working together from the off.

I just think there's been some baffling decisions and comments made by them throughout the process. A lot has seemed geared towards criticising the UK's approach - either outright or with thinly veiled jibes, threats etc. I don't get it.

This isn't an anti-Europe thing whatsoever. I just don't get some people in here getting off on the thought that the EU will start blocking vaccines on this basis that the UK are hoarding them - which there isn't actually any evidence of.
 
100%, they need to work together.

I don't think it's a failure on either aspect. They should have been working together from the off.

I just think there's been some baffling decisions and comments made by them throughout the process. A lot has seemed geared towards criticising the UK's approach - either outright or with thinly veiled jibes, threats etc. I don't get it.

This isn't an anti-Europe thing whatsoever. I just don't get some people in here getting off on the thought that the EU will start blocking vaccines on this basis that the UK are hoarding them - which there isn't actually any evidence of.
It's not one way though. The bizarre stuff from people claiming that the UK had stolen a march on the EU because of Brexit, the 'Britain leading the charge against disease' (for a jointly funded and researched vaccine), the 'we signed our deal first' (so what?) silliness, blocking intellectual property for vaccines (I know the EU were also opposed until recently).

Much if the anger directed at the EU is exactly what some would herald as 'Britain looking after itself' or 'statesmanlike' behaviour if it were to come from the PM.
 
It's not one way though. The bizarre stuff from people claiming that the UK had stolen a march on the EU because of Brexit, the 'Britain leading the charge against disease' (for a jointly funded and researched vaccine), the 'we signed our deal first' (so what?) silliness, blocking intellectual property for vaccines (I know the EU were also opposed until recently).

Much if the anger directed at the EU is exactly what some would herald as 'Britain looking after itself' or 'statesmanlike' behaviour if it were to come from the PM.

Equally so, you'd have the same people who are fully backing the EU now be criticising the UK government if they were doing what they're doing..

And - I know this isn't an EU matter - how do you think they'd react if they announced lockdown restrictions and then under 24 hours later did a U-turn, like Merkel has. Or if BJ had said, without any evidence, like Macron, that a vaccine was "quasi-ineffective"?

You're spot on, it all works both ways.

The contract point was quite key. The UK didn't actually sign the deal before, but - for whatever reason, maybe because of the ties with Oxford Uni? – the AZ factories in the UK did start up 3 months before the ones in the EU. That's a long time, in this process which would normally take a decade quashed down to 10-12 months.

Clearly fault on both sides of AZ/EU argument. I'm not sure in this case much blame can be directed at the UK government in terms of them signing deals which put the UK's best interests first. And I don't blame any country or the EU Commission doing that. It's how they've gone about it since then that irks me.

It's a crap system which needs changing, massively. I wouldn't trust our useless sods to do that, though. I would have backed a Corbyn party to do it, but well, we know how that turned out.
 
Equally so, you'd have the same people who are fully backing the EU now be criticising the UK government if they were doing what they're doing..

And - I know this isn't an EU matter - how do you think they'd react if they announced lockdown restrictions and then under 24 hours later did a U-turn, like Merkel has. Or if BJ had said, without any evidence, like Macron, that a vaccine was "quasi-ineffective"?

You're spot on, it all works both ways.

The contract point was quite key. The UK didn't actually sign the deal before, but - for whatever reason, maybe because of the ties with Oxford Uni? – the AZ factories in the UK did start up 3 months before the ones in the EU. That's a long time, in this process which would normally take a decade quashed down to 10-12 months.

Clearly fault on both sides of AZ/EU argument. I'm not sure in this case much blame can be directed at the UK government in terms of them signing deals which put the UK's best interests first. And I don't blame any country or the EU Commission doing that. It's how they've gone about it since then that irks me.

It's a crap system which needs changing, massively. I wouldn't trust our useless sods to do that, though. I would have backed a Corbyn party to do it, but well, we know how that turned out.
I think we are similarly minded on this.
 
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