Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Nobby Nobbs]

Make all protests illegal and then long sentences for the first 1 or 2 major riots. The population will soon comply.

At his trial at Nuremberg when asked the question, “ how did you get Germany to follow the madness ” Herman Goering replied “ its easy just tell them they’re under attack and they will follow their leader, this works in every nation”.

 

[BlueToff]

Saving lives will be the justification for further lockdowns. Johnson would win an election today despite 125,000 deaths. You see it in this thread, people are generally scared and will comply with lockdowns. Personally I've just realised its time to adjust to the 'new normal' and just admit that lockdown is life now.



Elimination strategies are impossible. Never going to happen.

People won't abide by them and they know it.

 

[peteblue]

There is absolutely no chance we’re going on holiday this summer.

I don’t get why people raced out there to get trips away booked. Travel companies saw you coming a mile off.

I won’t be booking any trips abroad for a long time. They’re a privilege and whilst I miss getting away for a bit it’s something I can easily do without.

Yep. We had booked to go to France last year and just carried the booking over to this year, even before this ‘fine’ there was no way I would have gone, and even next year may be off limits as far as I’m concerned. The U.K. will be sorted by summer and to just get our U.K. based lives back will be a massive bonus...foreign travel and holidays can wait.....

 

[grandjoeblue]

At his trial at Nuremberg when asked the question, “ how did you get Germany to follow the madness ” Herman Goering replied “ its easy just tell them they’re under attack and they will follow their leader, this works in every nation”.

Very good point. You see a lot of comments attacking protesters on a similar basis. How dare these people break the lockdown? Whilst the tory party bring in laws that have a huge impact on society forever during a pandemic.

 

[BlueToff]

Agreed. I think there is a high possibility of some element of the less stringent and precautionary restrictions returning over the winter, and/or a pre-emptive circuit breaker. Working from home, mask wearing, social distancing. I don't think there is an appetite anywhere for furlough and business closures.

The unknowns are how long vaccines provide immunity for, and further variants. By the winter, it is open to question that the vaccine efficacy of the large cohort of people inoculated first, may be compromised due to the passage of time, and emergence of additional variants. If so, we are effectively into a repeat mass roll-out operation for boosters.

The test is to see how a vaccinated adult population, with effective herd immunity, copes with the first full winter and Christmas under those conditions. Therefore I think there can be a justifiable combination of reasonable precautionary activity over the winter, coupled with equally reasonable continuation of social life and business activity.

By February / March next year, I think in epidemiological terms, we should have a definitive understanding of whether we are effectively over this or not. Between now and then its a data and numbers exercise, whilst beefing up public health infrastructure and allowing society to return to a high degree of normality whilst remaining vigilant.

Agreed.

All this while keeping in mind mate that it's an illness that 1000s and 1000s will have had and not even known.

There's a risk trade-off that we take with everything in life. The entire justification for the last year has been that this is new so we don't know the level of what that trade-off can be without risking far too many people.

We aren't at that stage now. Restrictions in terms of stuff being completely shut or us locking down should never happen.

Better off pumping more money into the NHS right now and ensuring capacity is there come winter, than spunking it on furlough for another three months later this year.

 

[BlueToff]

Very good point. You see a lot of comments attacking protesters on a similar basis. How dare these people break the lockdown? Whilst the tory party bring in laws that have a huge impact on society forever during a pandemic.

It's up to Labour to get in and change those laws when they do.

 

[Charro]

Well it looks like the travel ban until June but not sure where the gathering thing being pushed back has come from.

That decision will be made much closer to the time and depends on the success of the trial events.

It’s not come from anywhere, just my prediction.

I’d be surprised if we’re having big indoor, gatherings in two months time.

Remember, the roadmap is the best scenario. Talk of a third wave before we’ve even made the second step makes me think we’ll see things pushed back.

 

[davek]

This is pretty important given the poor international spread of vaccination.

It was discussed recently with the UN, IFRC and WHO that because of how poorly the spread of vaccination has happened, and given the rate of mutation, it may always be endemic in different parts of the world.

There may be localised, national herd immunity through vaccine (not a given) but different strains will continue to pop up until there is much broader international vaccination.

Five reasons why COVID herd immunity is probably impossible

Even with vaccination efforts in full force, the theoretical threshold for vanquishing COVID-19 looks to be out of reach.

www.nature.com

We really need these international organisations to be strengthened in order to stand a chance with this pandemic and those to come in the future.

 

[davek]

Now if you ever read what I type, you will see very early on that what I wanted to see was for people to concentrate on manufacturing and roll it out around the globe. I am not into vaccine nationalism, I am proud of the efforts of the U.K., its scientists, its manufacturers and its NHS, but I am a practical person who knows how to set up and operate manufacturing units, and it was pretty clear to me that what we now see would happen unless worldwide manufacturing is rolled out. That’s why I love the AZ vaccine and will defend it and AZ itself because they and Oxford are they only ones on this planet willing to do it at cost. You should be proud of your country and scathing at the protectionism and profiteering of the EU. So do not lecture me.....

Lol.

You regularly update us with national data on vaccination. You are the embodiment of vaccine nationalism and probaly wear Union Jack undies...which stink of piss.

 

[grandjoeblue]

It's up to Labour to get in and change those laws when they do.

Unfortunately Labour haven't got a chance of getting in any time soon. The people of this country are brainwashed and support for the Torys is very high. There is no real opposition at the moment. Arguably the SNP are the most effective opposition and the Tory media are smearing them on a daily basis.

 

[BlueToff]

Unfortunately Labour haven't got a chance of getting in any time soon. The people of this country are brainwashed and support for the Torys is very high. There is no real opposition at the moment. Arguably the SNP are the most effective opposition and the Tory media are smearing them on a daily basis.

Sturgeon doesn't help herself. Scotland have just brought in a very similar bill to the Tories too, based on 'offence' (hate crime now being based on whether someone took offence to something).

Fed up of blaming the media and this isn't a labour thread so I'll leave it be. I've voted Labour in every election and will continue to do so, but it's more out of a general commitment and opposition to the Tories than any faith in Starmer or Corbyn before him etc

 

[BlueToff]

It’s not come from anywhere, just my prediction.

I’d be surprised if we’re having big indoor, gatherings in two months time.

Remember, the roadmap is the best scenario. Talk of a third wave before we’ve even made the second step makes me think we’ll see things pushed back.

Yep it is best case.

The talk of the third wave yesterday was clearly BJ hedging his bets.

He stressed the crucial thing remained the vaccine roll out and the hospitalisations - both of which are going well atm.

They both need to continue to go well or the dates will have to be pushed back.

 

[BlueToff]

Lol.

You regularly update us with national data on vaccination. You are the embodiment of vaccine nationalism and probaly wear Union Jack undies...which stink of piss.

Why would he update us about the vaccine roll out in France?

He lives in the UK. Most of us on here do - including you, Dave.

 

[peteblue]

Lol.

You regularly update us with national data on vaccination. You are the embodiment of vaccine nationalism and probaly wear Union Jack undies...which stink of piss.

hahahaha.....I put the numbers up because I check them every day and some people, obviously not you, may find the progress of inoculation of interest....

 

[davek]

Why would he update us about the vaccine roll out in France?

He lives in the UK. Most of us on here do - including you, Dave.

erm, as a comparison?

'kin ell.