Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Connor]

Good to know mate, somebody sent it to my Mrs saying it’s open for everyone. If that’s the case I’ll leave it and wait for the call from the Drs

You can book on but it'll get cancelled

 

[davek]

The issue is always a commercial one. The USA manufacturers and companies make good money from the vaccine. The AZ one is basically given away. The USA won’t do anything to promote a foreign, cheap competitor. This is what drives Germany also.....

American cash is involved with AZ too.

 

[Goat]

 

[Neiler]

There's a few flaws in that assessment IMO. You seem to be implying (that'd how it reads anyway) that the EU have provided the UK with10m doses of the AZ vaccine and had nothing in return. I think you'll find the vast majority of those 10m jabs were the Pfizer vaccine because we've apparently given out 11m jabs so far. Our only supplier of that vaccine is in the EU.

Plus how does she know that the UK supplies are all up to date. I have not seen the contracts but I did see many reports that suggested we were due 10m Pfizer doses by the end of 2020 (we actually got 400,000 by then) and should also have had 30m AZ doses by the end of 2020. Given a report that came out recently linked to the blood clot issues said that we have had approximately 11m each of the Pfizer and AZ vaccines, that would imply our own supplies are also well short of what was expected. We started our vaccinations 6 weeks before them and are employing a 12 week time lag so are dosing more people. If you look at doses given since the EU got up and running properly I doubt there would be a great difference.

Also, as far as I'm aware the issue with AZ supply to the EU is not down to any export bans issued by the UK government. They themselves said it was down to production problems here in Europe and that they are trying to bridge the gap from their International supply chain (India and Americas). Surely that's an issue between the EU and AZ.

I think we're all having supply problems, not just the EU. The main difference is that we started our programme much earlier, and we are using a different vaccination strategy that aims to give as many as people as possible the first dose as quickly as possible. So we are seen to have a successful rollout of the vaccine, whilst the general view on the continent is the opposite. So the political leaders over there are having to save face, and they are doing that by kicking off over the supply chain, flexing their muscles and, quite frankly, employing bullying tactics.

I’d be very open minded on figures or evidence to the contrary mate, I just haven’t seen them sourced. If there are shortfalls in Pfizer for the UK, then I think the UK have the same rights as the EU have to query that and take measures like the EU with exports of AZ to the Eu. As I said the issue as o understand it is the two UK plants are named in the EU contract as two of four, like in the UK contract, no vaccines have come to these these sites, but have provided wholly to the UK. Wig the EU was to reciprocate that premise, then seems clear the supply to the UK would be hit.

The issue as I see it is the UK, happy to have a domestic supply, happy to import vaccine and unhappy to export domestic supply, cake and eat it. The EU obviously feel they have a contractual right, the UK, AZ obviously feel we don’t and here we are brinkmanship, toward possible escalation to political and customs measures. To EU has articles at its disposal in EU law to block and comendrr anything produced in the block at a time or critical international safety, in fact if you are aware of these thing UVL language was quite pointed today to that particular article.

I’d be very open minded on evidence that would move from my analysis, it’s not a nasty little dynamic to my current thinking that is only showing signs of deteriorating to the determined of all.

 

[bluerobert]

You can book on but it'll get cancelled

Yer mate somebody just told me that, person who sent it to me said it was for anyone. My bad. Didnt check my facts before posting it. Rookie mistake

 

[ForeverBlue92]

"The BBC's politics editor Laura Kuenssberg has been told the problem has been caused by there being fewer AstraZeneca vaccines available than expected."

@peteblue what's the feeling in your water sir Government rolling over to the EU?

 

[verreauxi]

What's the situation for you all who live in Liverpool (or elsewhere) regarding the vaccine roll-out? Here in the US, in my state, Virginia (in a non-urban area), a lot of my friends are starting to get their first jabs (we are all over 35 in age). I hear other places in the US are complete fiascos. My friend lives in LA and it's pretty cut-throat for an appointment.

 

[grandjoeblue]

There's a graph on this page with all the data. On June 16th, which was the first proper reporting day after non-essential shops were allowed to open, there were 114 deaths. So very similar to what we are at now. Cases are a lot higher now but obviously we are doing way more tests so can't compare cases like for like.

United Kingdom COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United Kingdom Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Thanks. Yes, testing I'm less interested in as nobody was being tested at the time.

Interesting to compare hospitalisation and deaths. We're still 11 days away from the first things to reopen (other than schools) so we should be at a lower point.

 

[peteblue]

American cash is involved with AZ too.

yeah, that is true....

 

[peteblue]

"The BBC's politics editor Laura Kuenssberg has been told the problem has been caused by there being fewer AstraZeneca vaccines available than expected."

@peteblue what's the feeling in your water sir Government rolling over to the EU?

We should just stick to our contracts with suppliers. The EU can do what they like. If they wish to destroy their reputation and inward investment by effectively seizing a companies assets that’s up to them. The last president I can remember doing that was Idi Amin. Boris should, and I believe will, just hold firm on the contracts, all legal and above board. VDL is going to make an even bigger fool of herself than she already has.....

 

[Neiler]

American cash is involved with AZ too.

The EU gave Oxford/AZ 336 million to develop the vaccine.

Oxford also in re receipt of 59 mill in an EU research grant annually, before Brexit.

 

[BlueStevie35]

...if the blood clots dont happen, yeah.

You feeling any better mate?

 

[peteblue]

What's the situation for you all who live in Liverpool (or elsewhere) regarding the vaccine roll-out? Here in the US, in my state, Virginia (in a non-urban area), a lot of my friends are starting to get their first jabs (we are all over 35 in age). I hear other places in the US are complete fiascos. My friend lives in LA and it's pretty cut-throat for an appointment.

do you have to pay ?....

 

[verreauxi]

do you have to pay ?....

No, you pre-register on a state government website, and then they contact you based on some age/health criteria (or job situation). Just a few weeks ago, we all thought it seemed like until May or June until the vaccines would roll out for us, but then a few of us received text messages to get the first dose (of two) in this past week.

 

[peteblue]

The EU gave Oxford/AZ 336 million to develop the vaccine.

Oxford also in re receipt of 59 mill in an EU research grant annually, before Brexit.

That research grant of £59M came out of our EU annual payment of over £12Billion...it was our money to begin with....