Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tubey]

This was the road map projection of the UK roll out, before the April supply issue. Hopefully it means that most people in the UK would be vaccinated by Oct, if there was a lag of a month, getting in there just about by flu season.

His follow up tweet predicted the shortfall.

 

[peteblue]

This will certainly be part of the problem. It really is disgraceful behaviour by the EU. Risking countless lives.

Really starting to wonder why I was such a big remainer over the last few years.

Nice to see the eyes open.....

 

[Wizard]

Out of interest how many deaths per day were happening when the lockdown was easied last summer?

There's a graph on this page with all the data. On June 16th, which was the first proper reporting day after non-essential shops were allowed to open, there were 114 deaths. So very similar to what we are at now. Cases are a lot higher now but obviously we are doing way more tests so can't compare cases like for like.

United Kingdom COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United Kingdom Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

 

[davek]

I assumed it was because the EU would be cutting us off from any supplies from AZ sites located outside the UK.

I can only hope its that.

 

[peteblue]

What all this goes to show is, don’t trust the EU and don’t ever depend on them. Trust our own endeavour. In respect of the vaccine we must ensure that we get enough Pfizer to give a second dose to those who have had the first and focus on the use of the AZ vaccine upon which we have a degree of control going forward.

I wonder what the American think of this.....

 

[davek]

Out of interest how many deaths per day were happening when the lockdown was easied last summer?

This is something wee need to keep an eye on. Even though there's a new more easily spread bvariant this time, there rally should be a virtual quashing of transmission when the seasonal effect + vaccines are combined (and also the strides made with therapeutics over the year).

 

[davek]

What all this goes to show is, don’t trust the EU and don’t ever depend on them. Trust our own endeavour. In respect of the vaccine we must ensure that we get enough Pfizer to give a second dose to those who have had the first and focus on the use of the AZ vaccine upon which we have a degree of control going forward.

I wonder what the American think of this.....

I wonder what they think about the AZ vaccine. IIRC they are about to decide shortly whether to hand a license to it.

 

[peteblue]

I can only hope its that.

Bet you’re glad you got the gnats piss now Dave...at least your second jab should be secure from the despicable behaviour of the EU.....

 

[Barnfred 55]

The issue as i understand it is this mate.

Both the Uk and EU have contracts with AZ. The contracts are similar, both based on best efforts and the EU one was actually signed the day before the UK one. The contracts mention the supply chain for both countries as plants in Belgium, Netherlands and two in the UK. Both the UK and the EU paid for the development & manufacturing etc of all four plants.

My understanding of the issue is the EU's order has been left short by 70% by AZ, who arent exporting from the UK plants - the inference is an export ban by the UK government. The UK's order has been fulfilled 100%.

10 mill doses of vaccines have left EU plants for the UK. 0 vaccines have been exported by the UK.

Essentially what the EU is inferring is that the UK has a defacto ban on vaccine exports, keeping what is produced in the UK to ensure their order is met. What the EU has inferred today is if the UK continue to do this, then they will respond in kind and stop all vaccine exports until their orders are met.

The same thing but more overt is happening with the USA, they have no problem acknowledging it though, but they are less reliant on EU plants.

To me and the bit ive done looking into this, the fault could be AZ's, seems they entered a duplicitous contract arrangement with the EU and UK, the bind is AZ and UK have been happy to collude on exports, each hiding behind the other unofficially.

As for the surplus, i dont realistically think there is one, Pete posted figures on it yesterday and i showed him that the over hang of unused vaccines matched almost equally the number who received a first dose, defacto they are stored second doses - most EU nations wont give a first dose unless they have the second dose.

There's a few flaws in that assessment IMO. You seem to be implying (that'd how it reads anyway) that the EU have provided the UK with10m doses of the AZ vaccine and had nothing in return. I think you'll find the vast majority of those 10m jabs were the Pfizer vaccine because we've apparently given out 11m jabs so far. Our only supplier of that vaccine is in the EU.

Plus how does she know that the UK supplies are all up to date. I have not seen the contracts but I did see many reports that suggested we were due 10m Pfizer doses by the end of 2020 (we actually got 400,000 by then) and should also have had 30m AZ doses by the end of 2020. Given a report that came out recently linked to the blood clot issues said that we have had approximately 11m each of the Pfizer and AZ vaccines, that would imply our own supplies are also well short of what was expected. We started our vaccinations 6 weeks before them and are employing a 12 week time lag so are dosing more people. If you look at doses given since the EU got up and running properly I doubt there would be a great difference.

Also, as far as I'm aware the issue with AZ supply to the EU is not down to any export bans issued by the UK government. They themselves said it was down to production problems here in Europe and that they are trying to bridge the gap from their International supply chain (India and Americas). Surely that's an issue between the EU and AZ.

I think we're all having supply problems, not just the EU. The main difference is that we started our programme much earlier, and we are using a different vaccination strategy that aims to give as many as people as possible the first dose as quickly as possible. So we are seen to have a successful rollout of the vaccine, whilst the general view on the continent is the opposite. So the political leaders over there are having to save face, and they are doing that by kicking off over the supply chain, flexing their muscles and, quite frankly, employing bullying tactics.

 

[maccavennie]

Don’t know if anyone has posted this but I live in Huyton. Knowsley and St Helens have an abundance of vaccine so are letting people book in. I’ve just booked mine then.
Go to this link to book it

St Helens & Knowsley | Scheduling and Booking Website

IMPORTANTCOVID 3rd Primary Dose Available for those who have been identified by their GP or Specialist Consultants as immunocompromisedYou will need your NHS number to book, this can be found hereNHS Find NHS number web pageYou must attend with either a letter, text or mail from your Dr stating...

sthelensknowsleyhospital.nhsbookings.com

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Loads of slots available there isn't there. I'd share with loads but you've got to be either over 50, care for someone or work for the NHS or have an extreme medical condition.

I'm sure all the slots will fill up in time.

 

[Connor]

Don’t know if anyone has posted this but I live in Huyton. Knowsley and St Helens have an abundance of vaccine so are letting people book in. I’ve just booked mine then.
Go to this link to book it

St Helens & Knowsley | Scheduling and Booking Website

IMPORTANTCOVID 3rd Primary Dose Available for those who have been identified by their GP or Specialist Consultants as immunocompromisedYou will need your NHS number to book, this can be found hereNHS Find NHS number web pageYou must attend with either a letter, text or mail from your Dr stating...

sthelensknowsleyhospital.nhsbookings.com

Get your NHS number here

Find your NHS number

Use this service to get your NHS number sent to you by text, email or letter.

www.nhs.uk

This went around the other week too and they said don't bother unless you get an invite

 

[peteblue]

I wonder what they think about the AZ vaccine. IIRC they are about to decide shortly whether to hand a license to it.

The issue is always a commercial one. The USA manufacturers and companies make good money from the vaccine. The AZ one is basically given away. The USA won’t do anything to promote a foreign, cheap competitor. This is what drives Germany also.....

 

[BlueToff]

What all this goes to show is, don’t trust the EU and don’t ever depend on them. Trust our own endeavour. In respect of the vaccine we must ensure that we get enough Pfizer to give a second dose to those who have had the first and focus on the use of the AZ vaccine upon which we have a degree of control going forward.

I wonder what the American think of this.....

Pete, all we know is that there's production issues.

Could be anything.

As @Tubey points out via that FT tweet, looks like Moderna supply is actually an issue. Having 17m doses secured and then finding out we will have less (bit like EU with AZ back in Jan tbf) means they're gonna have to change strategy.

I think what EU Commissioner said is totally wrong and she's playing daft games, but i don't think it necessarily goes hand-in-hand with this just yet

 

[bluerobert]

This went around the other week too and they said don't bother unless you get an invite

Good to know mate, somebody sent it to my Mrs saying it’s open for everyone. If that’s the case I’ll leave it and wait for the call from the Drs

 

[davek]

Bet you’re glad you got the gnats piss now Dave...at least your second jab should be secure from the despicable behaviour of the EU.....

...if the blood clots dont happen, yeah.