Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

Covid-19: UK approves Moderna vaccine to be given as two doses 28 days apart

The UK has approved the Moderna covid-19 vaccine and ordered an additional 10 million doses—bringing the total up to 17 million doses to be delivered from spring. Interim analysis of the Moderna phase III trial reported that the vaccine was 94.5% effective 14 days after the second dose.1 The...

www.bmj.com

We were due 17m doses 'in the spring'

 

[Charro]

All the videos I’ve seen, you can hear wools talking

One look on twitter and You can see students from Manchester talking about going to Sefton Park

They’ll be plenty of scousers there as well.

Crosby beach was as busy as I’ve seen the other week. Full of locals.

 

[BlueToff]

Something dodgy going on here. The word has been that the system was briefed to massively increase jabs this week onwards; now the reverse is the case.

Why?

Either there's been a significant drop off at one of the AZ plants or the UK now can't get the Moderna supply they'd agreed... That seems to be the only real options?

As long as people get their second dose, that's what matters - and stopping new bookings in April at least should ensure that.

I'm gutted though. Not about me getting the jab, but just think this will end up being used as yet another reason to push things back.

 

[Mrk]

Hancock clearly BS'ing. Lying through his teeth - can see the panic behind his eyes.

Don’t see what they’d have to gain by lying - they’ve been remarkably frank on the subject of supply/rollout so far, if there was a real issue I presume they’d just say as much - it’s not like it’s something they can control.

 

[Tubey]

Don’t see what they’d have to gain by lying - they’ve been remarkably frank on the subject of supply/rollout so far, if there was a real issue I presume they’d just say as much - it’s not like it’s something they can control.

Because it was leaked a matter of minutes before this presser. Hancock caught completely cold by it, his body language went stiffer, talked slower and more deliberately. He was jumping on questions he was more comfortable with enthusiastically.

I admit I can't be sure obviously, but my instinct is he was bluffing his head off there.

 

[BlueToff]

Don’t see what they’d have to gain by lying - they’ve been remarkably frank on the subject of supply/rollout so far, if there was a real issue I presume they’d just say as much - it’s not like it’s something they can control.

I think Hancock just consistently comes across as the rabbit in the headlights (who somehow keeps avoiding (political) death)

 

[BlueToff]

Because it was leaked a matter of minutes before this presser. Hancock caught completely cold by it, his body language went stiffer, talked slower and more deliberately. He was jumping on questions he was more comfortable with enthusiastically.

I admit I can't be sure obviously, but my instinct is he was bluffing his head off there.

Has to be Whitty, Valance and the PM tomorrow or Friday, now.

I don't like Johnson, but fwiw I've been much more assured by him and the two CMOs doing the pressers as of late when they have happened.

Not saying that's cause of Johnson, mind, but he's managed to come across as something resembling a person with the faintest grasp of what is going on (it took long enough). Plus, Whitty and Valance at least have the expertise to answer the Qs

 

[Mrk]

Because it was leaked a matter of minutes before this presser. Hancock caught completely cold by it, his body language went stiffer, talked slower and more deliberately. He was jumping on questions he was more comfortable with enthusiastically.

I admit I can't be sure obviously, but my instinct is he was bluffing his head off there.

I’d be stunned if they were surprised by that question being asked - his reply looked rehearsed to me.

As I say though, let’s say he was surprised by it, there’s absolutely no reason they’d deny it.

 

[Mrk]

I think Hancock just consistently comes across as the rabbit in the headlights (who somehow keeps avoiding (political) death)

Totally agree - he’s pretty awful at any kind of speech. It’s hard to watch...

 

[Tubey]

I’d be stunned if they were surprised by that question being asked - his reply looked rehearsed to me.

As I say though, let’s say he was surprised by it, there’s absolutely no reason they’d deny it.

He didn't deny it; he denied the significance of it.

"Lumpy", "operational letter" etc. etc. like it was just standard procedure, nothing to worry about - while looking petrified like a rabbit in the headlights.

 

[BlueToff]

He didn't deny it; he denied the significance of it.

"Lumpy", "operational letter" etc. etc. like it was just standard procedure, nothing to worry about - while looking petrified like a rabbit in the headlights.

Honestly think it really could be the Moderna ones - there's been no news as of late about it, the last articles I could find were all Jan/Feb time and just stressed 'in the spring'.

Well, whatever your definition of 'spring',we're into it now, and there's been no further word.

If they were planning on having 17m doses delivered in the next month or so which now aren't going to be, then that's probably a significant reduction

It's either that or there's a problem with one of the AZ plants/that supply

 

[Tubey]

Has to be Whitty, Valance and the PM tomorrow or Friday, now.

I don't like Johnson, but fwiw I've been much more assured by him and the two CMOs doing the pressers as of late when they have happened.

Not saying that's cause of Johnson, mind, but he's managed to come across as something resembling a person with the faintest grasp of what is going on (it took long enough). Plus, Whitty and Valance at least have the expertise to answer the Qs

All Hancock is done with that performance is mean the Tories will be subjected to constant questions until they address the supply issue properly now.

Got to imagine there'll be an uproar because everyone will assume the timetable will now be pushed back, even if it actually won't be.

 

[Mrk]

He didn't deny it; he denied the significance of it.

"Lumpy", "operational letter" etc. etc. like it was just standard procedure, nothing to worry about - while looking petrified like a rabbit in the headlights.

But it is standard procedure? Anecdotally I know that a few times over the past few months GP’s have been warned of sharp reductions in supply, and there’s been nothing to worry about so far.

Let’s put it this way, there is zero chance he’d be saying “we’re on track” with the rollout if the NHS knew there was a large supply issue ahead - the Govt have somehow built up a lot of goodwill from the public due to the rollout - if that was in jeopardy they’d simply say as much, as they literally have no control over supply.

 

[SussexToffee]

Weren't we due a big batch of Moderna in April?

Could that be it?

Makes sense to me. I’m not too worried about the news today, as long as the first group are all first jabbed by then.

 

[Tubey]

But it is standard procedure? Anecdotally I know that a few times over the past few months GP’s have been warned of sharp reductions in supply, and there’s been nothing to worry about so far.

Let’s put it this way, there is zero chance he’d be saying “we’re on track” with the rollout if the NHS knew there was a large supply issue ahead - the Govt have somehow built up a lot of goodwill from the public due to the rollout - if that was in jeopardy they’d simply say as much, as they literally have no control over supply.

Think about it logically.

They have a plan to vaccinate all adults by a set date.

Simultaneously, they have an NHS England letter saying vaccine supply will be delayed by a month.

So, apparently, the supply will be delayed but the roll out target will still be met.

That doesn't add up mate. Something is wrong.