Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tubey]

There arer regulatory bodies all over Europe who disagree with you and requiore proof that an obvious link isn't a connection. But you keep defending it.

As said, if offered I will get it this week. But that doesn't mean its non-problematic for some people.

Everything single one of them has said there's no proven link and it's just an abundance of caution. Not one of them has said the AZ vaccine is unsafe.

The UK has had tens of millions of doses administered with mild side effects universally with no statistical deviation in serious illness that would be seen in the normal populace at any other time.

 

[davek]

There is no proven link. You might as well say people have had a blood clot because they drank coffee.....

The instances of blood clotting are getting way too much to be dismissed as statistical noise.

 

[Chewbacca]

Correlation does not imply causation

Statistics 101

 

[grandjoeblue]

The instances of blood clotting are getting way too much to be dismissed as statistical noise.

Complete and utter nonsense.

 

[Tubey]

The instances of blood clotting are getting way too much to be dismissed as statistical noise.

No it isn't.

Indeed the Norway assessment is fundamentally flawed due to having a much smaller data sample. They've mostly administered the Pfizer vaccine. The UK has administered millions without seeing any causation whatsoever.

That said, in a normal situation, the vaccine would be pulled everywhere just to be completely safe. But we're in a worldwide health emergency where millions are dying.

So you're right in that sense. You're very wrong in saying it's 'way too much' to ignore though; that's just not true. If that were the case, we'd have seen numerous examples of people dropping like flies after the AZ vaccine by now. That just hasn't happened.

 

[davek]

Laughing here at people who dont think side effects happen with vaccines, and that when it does it's not cause and effect. They do, and it is.

 

[davek]

No it isn't.

Indeed the Norway assessment is fundamentally flawed due to having a much smaller data sample. They've mostly administered the Pfizer vaccine. The UK has administered millions without seeing any causation whatsoever.

That said, in a normal situation, the vaccine would be pulled everywhere just to be completely safe. But we're in a worldwide health emergency where millions are dying.

So you're right in that sense. You're very wrong in saying it's 'way too much' to ignore though; that's just not true. If that were the case, we'd have seen numerous examples of people dropping like flies after the AZ vaccine by now. That just hasn't happened.

You're telling me that the experts involved in rolling out a vaccine are flawed in their assessment and should ignore the feedback they're getting?

Please tell me you're kidding.

 

[peteblue]

The instances of blood clotting are getting way too much to be dismissed as statistical noise.

There is no link. The EMA say there is no link. The U.K. results ‘show’ people who have had Pfizer having more blood clots than AZ, but there is no link and the numbers as stated are just as normal as usual. Like millions of others I take a tablet each day to ensure that I don’t get blood clots, blood clots are a fact of life, and as there is no link to either vaccine, tenuous or other, pulling the plug on the vaccine is just being ultra cautious. More people will die by suspending the vaccine and the people who old develop blood clots will die or otherwise anyway. I think it’s pure back covering stupidity.....

 

[peteblue]

Laughing here at people who dont think side effects happen with vaccines, and that when it does it's not cause and effect. They do, and it is.

They do. Everything put into the body has side effects. But not everything put into the body protects you from a virus that may kill you.....

 

[Tubey]

You're telling me that the experts involved in rolling out a vaccine are flawed in their assessment and should ignore the feedback they're getting?

Please tell me you're kidding.

Yep, I'm saying some will be more cautious than others. Hence why Germany was wrong in not advocating the AZ vaccine to older people, because they wanted more data. They were proven wrong. Norway have pulled it because they want more data. They'll be proven wrong too.

They're wrong for the right reasons; they haven't got to grips with the urgency of the situation. The UK have - acceptable risks, like extending the distance between doses, have been taken here; they haven't elsewhere. The UK got it right, as much as you'd never admit it.

If this was something like, say, ranitidine, where longitudinal studies over time have indicated a statistically relevant problem, it'd be rightfully withdrawn. But it's not. Instead, there's an overabundance of caution which is stopping these countries getting results.

 

[PhilM]

There exists no evidence to show the vaccine is unsafe.

There's also a fairly sizeable evidence base that not having a vaccine is likely to be unsafe for the wider population.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

 

[grandjoeblue]

I don't think its right for anti vaccine comments to be made when its literally a 1 in 1 million side effect. More than 1 in 1 million people probably get a blood clot anyway.

Some dangerous comments at times. Similar to the Facebook anti vaccine scientists.

 

[spectateur]

There is no proven link. You might as well say people have had a blood clot because they drank coffee.....

Exactly. We need to know how many people got a blood clot in the same period, people who had not had the AZ jab.

 

[Tubey]

I don't think its right for anti vaccine comments to be made when its literally a 1 in 1 million side effect. More than 1 in 1 million people probably get a blood clot anyway.

Some dangerous comments at times. Similar to the Facebook anti vaccine scientists.

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ta287/documents/pulmonary-embolism-acute-treatment-vte-prevention-rivaroxaban-appendix-b-final-scope2#:~:text=The%20annual%20incidence%20of%20venous,7%E2%80%938%20per%2010%2C000%20people.

The annual incidence of venous thromboembolism is approximately 2 in 1000 of the general population and the annual incidence of diagnosed pulmonary embolism in the UK has been reported as 7–8 per 10,000 people.

Well inside the normal incidence range.