Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Neiler]

It's happening way too much with this vaccine. It's ok saying there seems to be no association, but it's not being reported with other vaccines.

I've always argued there is something amiss about the AZ vaccine...and that's from someone who this week will probably have to get it (and I will regardless of the possible side effects because the odds of that side effect are still very slim...but it is a concern).

IMO it's cheap and easy to rolll out and it gets the nod because of that.

Personally i think the caution comes from the young cohort who seem to have had these side effects, thats a different subset and variable of the raw data i posted on the UK figures of Pfizer VS AZ. I believe the cases in Norway are from a different batch then the concerning one that led to the death of the young nurse in Austria during the week and i think that has added to the temporary pause and investigation. Both those variables to me seem like the dictating factors on the pause to me.

I think its fair enough, if there is a concern, a pause is logical until its investigated, once that isnt a six month thing, no point really speculating until proven else-wise, the whole thing will have a due process.

I'm really hoping the whole thing is investigated and found to be fine, the last thing anyone needs is a vaccine to hit the scuppers and not be rolled out, not to mention those in between doses and the concern and limbo that might create.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

It's happening way too much with this vaccine. It's ok saying there seems to be no association, but it's not being reported with other vaccines.

I've always argued there is something amiss about the AZ vaccine...and that's from someone who this week will probably have to get it (and I will regardless of the possible side effects because the odds of that side effect are still very slim...but it is a concern).

IMO it's cheap and easy to rolll out and it gets the nod because of that.

All we are seeing is western medical science and it's evidence being played out as it has done over decades, unnoticed thankfully.

Just a shame so many in the right of political spectrum thought it wise to flag wave because it was just politically convenient at the time.

Think we have finally peaked with vaccine nationalism, it's lefty women and not wanting to be sexually harassed is the latest crusade to trample on.

 

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[jinkyali]

Why are we not seeing this with Pfizer and Moderna?

They are.

Pfizer has had 15 episodes of the clotting compared to 13 for AZ.

 

[peteblue]

Why isn't the pfizer vaccine getting pulled if there has been more cases in the UK?

Because the numbers are insignificant, just like the AZ....

 

[toffee82]

It IS dangerous. What part of people taking a vaccine and experiencing thrombosis dont you understand. It's simple cause and effect.

Such a dangerous and uninformed statement.
The type of thing a rag would print.

 

[davek]

Piedmont region of Italy suspending AZ after death of a man following the jab.

 

[davek]

Such a dangerous and uninformed statement.
The type of thing a rag would print.

It is cause and effect for some. Are you saying that close on a hundrd peiple now known to have had a deadly reaction to this vaccine are likely to have nothing to do with the AZ vaccine?

 

[Tubey]

It is cause and effect for some. Are you saying that close on a hundrd peiple now known to have had a deadly reaction to this vaccine are likely to have nothing to do with the AZ vaccine?

Yes.

 

[davek]

All we are seeing is western medical science and it's evidence being played out as it has done over decades, unnoticed thankfully.

Just a shame so many in the right of political spectrum thought it wise to flag wave because it was just politically convenient at the time.

Think we have finally peaked with vaccine nationalism, it's lefty women and not wanting to be sexually harassed is the latest crusade to trample on.

That's exactly what threatens us on a number of levels: waving a flag for a vaccine because it was made in Oxford FFS! How 'kin thick can you get?

 

[toffee82]

It is cause and effect for some. Are you saying that close on a hundrd peiple now known to have had a deadly reaction to this vaccine are likely to have nothing to do with the AZ vaccine?

Consider tens of millions have had it, yes?
Particularly when most people who have had it have been old and clinically vulnerable.
According to the ONS there were over half a million deaths in the UK in 2019 (picking a non covid year).
How many of those would have qualified for a covid jab this year?

 

[davek]

Yes.

There arer regulatory bodies all over Europe who disagree with you and requiore proof that an obvious link isn't a connection. But you keep defending it.

As said, if offered I will get it this week. But that doesn't mean its non-problematic for some people.

 

[peteblue]

It is cause and effect for some. Are you saying that close on a hundrd peiple now known to have had a deadly reaction to this vaccine are likely to have nothing to do with the AZ vaccine?

There is no proven link. You might as well say people have had a blood clot because they drank coffee.....

 

[Chewbacca]

The papers never report the odd European fatality from eating the holes in Polos.

Scare stories for clicks.

 

[davek]

Consider tens of millions have had it, yes?
Particularly when most people who have had it have been old and clinically vulnerable.
According to the ONS there were over half a million deaths in the UK in 2019 (picking a non covid year).
How many of those would have qualified for a covid jab this year?

It should be paused and only restarted if the link is dismissed as an anomaly.