Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Barnfred 55]

And the Welsh police will be waiting for them, at the borders and beauty spots, fixed penalties at the ready, as they have been doing since day one.

With 'kin big grins on their faces too no doubt.

They need to be careful how they deal with people. There's a fine line and could put a lot of people off going back there ever, or at least for a long while (most people have short memories when it comes to vendettas )

I remember down here last summer when some idiots put banners across motorway bridges telling people to stay away. Cornwall would collapse without our holiday trade.

 

[COYBL25]

With 'kin big grins on their faces too no doubt.

They need to be careful how they deal with people. There's a fine line and could put a lot of people off going back there ever, or at least for a long while (most people have short memories when it comes to vendettas )

I remember down here last summer when some idiots put banners across motorway bridges telling people to stay away. Cornwall would collapse without our holiday trade.

Did the banners have this and the word MURDERERS on them too ?

If so, I`d imagine a fair few turned around and went home.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

They need to be careful how they deal with people. There's a fine line and could put a lot of people off going back there ever, or at least for a long while (most people have short memories when it comes to vendettas

Doubt it like the crockles, there are plenty blowhards to fill their places.

 

[davek]

HanCOCK: hospitalisation is still too high...but we're getting all the schools to open on Monday, so that should sort it.

They have learned nothing, and they dont want to learn the lessons of their catastrophe.

 

[Billy Dean]

It doesn’t even matter what they’re doing now, anyway. The horse has bolted.

The reason the UK is in a better position isn’t just because the contracts were signed separately from the EU. It’s because they were signed in June 2020. The German Pfizer deal wasn’t agreed until September.

Anybody who tries to argue the UK would have signed contracts for hundreds of millions of doses in June 2020 had we still been in the EU is deluded.

I don't think it's as cut and dried as you make it out to be. As a member of the EU the UK has never been afraid to go it alone on various things if it felt the best way forward.

 

[Brennan]

I don't think it's as cut and dried as you make it out to be. As a member of the EU the UK has never been afraid to go it alone on various things if it felt the best way forward.

I can’t think of a comparable example.

 

[SussexToffee]

UK total patients today are.... England 8594 + Wales 891 + Scotland 666 + N Ireland 242. The total is 10,393.

UK total ventilators are currently, England 1417 + Wales 42 + Scotland 64 + N Ireland 27, giving us a total of 1550.

Total Patients in England down 498 to 8594 and Ventilators are down 37 to 1417.

 

[Brennan]

Why?

The scale of the contracts agreed and the date they were finalised.

Germany caused controversy signing a deal for 30m doses in September after the EU had delayed signing one themselves for months.

I could see a deal for tens of millions with AZ in the same manner as the German deal with Pfizer, as the AZ vaccine was researched and supported by the UK government. But the UK signing deals for hundreds of millions of doses with companies all over the world ? Nah.

 

[roydo]

I can’t think of a comparable example.

Well there is nothing to compare to a pandemic, obvs.

But we politely declined joining the Euro, and iirc, we did our own thing re the Falklands.

But anyrate, the charts from todays briefing were hugely encouraging, all things vax/admissions/deaths.

 

[roydo]

I can’t think of a comparable example.

Well there is nothing to compare to a pandemic, obvs.

But we politely declined joining the Euro, and iirc, we did our own thing re the Falklands.

But anyrate, the charts from todays briefing were hugely encouraging, all things vax/admissions/deaths.

 

[BlueToff]

'Thought to', not 'proven to'.

There's a fairly sizeable chasm between each position.

Everything you post about the vaccines not working has been proved on 'thoughts', though.

You can't have it both ways.

They're basing it on how vaccines work for every other virus. The efficacy in terms of protection from infection might differ, but the common theme is that protection from serious illness does not. Obviously, they need to test more.

 

[tsubaki]

The number of vaccines procured and used to this point by the UK had we remained in the EU would have been far less. Just because we technically could have acted independently of the EU doesn’t mean we would have.

There was controversy within the bloc over Germany signing for an additional 30 million from Pfizer. We have signed agreements for hundreds of millions of doses.

We would have, though. The fact that we were able to whilst we were following EU procurement rules is kind of the giveaway there, plus of course there is numerous examples of us opting out of EU things because they didn't meet the needs of the government of the day.

 

[Brennan]

We would have, though. The fact that we were able to whilst we were following EU procurement rules is kind of the giveaway there, plus of course there is numerous examples of us opting out of EU things because they didn't meet the needs of the government of the day.

Opting out of things like the Euro is not comparable to bypassing member states who are all working together to get vaccines for the bloc, and signing agreements for hundreds of millions of doses of the vaccine when the EU had agreed none.

 

[tsubaki]

Opting out of things like the Euro is not comparable to bypassing member states who are all working together to get vaccines for the bloc, and signing agreements for hundreds of millions of doses of the vaccine when the EU had agreed none.

Yes they are - even the reasons behind the decision are pretty similar between staying out of the Euro and opting out of this procurement (ie: for HMG to remain control over that area). Do you really think a British government would have done what they did with AZ, for the reasons they did, and then let go of it?

If we are going to be hypothetical, if we did stay in and had gone into the procurement deal, the deal would probably have been rather different (it would have had to be to get us to sign up to it).

 

[davek]

Yes they are - even the reasons behind the decision are pretty similar between staying out of the Euro and opting out of this procurement (ie: for HMG to remain control over that area). Do you really think a British government would have done what they did with AZ, for the reasons they did, and then let go of it?

If we are going to be hypothetical, if we did stay in and had gone into the procurement deal, the deal would probably have been rather different (it would have had to be to get us to sign up to it).

Spot on. The scope was always there in or out of the EU. Only a fool would argue otherwise.