Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Everyones perception of reality is different.

Mine is that if hospitalisation is cut by 80% and death 85% then the total number of deaths would have been less than an average flu season in the same time frame.

We have multiple vaccines with higher efficacy than flu vaccines. The vaccine development throughout means they can be tweaked easily.

But that number would be with lockdowns in place.

It's a new virus, no-one can be 100% sure what will happen in the future or what the long term effects will be. Will we have mutations that can bypass the vaccine?? No-one knows but its best we prepare for the worst outcome and have a track and trace system that works for the summer when restrictions end. Pull the Serco contract and let PHE and the NHS sort it themselves.

Lets look at the positives though, It's been a wake up call for some people to look at having a healthier lifestyle. The majority of people have more appreciation for the NHS and we need to protect it. The environment has had a minor break from mass pollution. The majority of people have come together and embraced a more community spirit.

We will overcome this.
 
But that number would be with lockdowns in place.

It's a new virus, no-one can be 100% sure what will happen in the future or what the long term effects will be. Will we have mutations that can bypass the vaccine?? No-one knows but its best we prepare for the worst outcome and have a track and trace system that works for the summer when restrictions end. Pull the Serco contract and let PHE and the NHS sort it themselves.

Lets look at the positives though, It's been a wake up call for some people to look at having a healthier lifestyle. The majority of people have more appreciation for the NHS and we need to protect it. The environment has had a minor break from mass pollution. The majority of people have come together and embraced a more community spirit.

We will overcome this.
Not meaning to come at you but aren't people drinking more than ever and exercising less since the pandemic started? I think the majority of people will be in much worse condition physically and mentally.
 
Not meaning to come at you but aren't people drinking more than ever and exercising less since the pandemic started? I think the majority of people will be in much worse condition physically and mentally.
Well I think the point is people should realise they can't keep living unhealthy lives because this is the risk.

It's blunt to say, but unless you have a condition, your immune system will almost certainly (there's always exceptions) have fought this off if you take care of yourself. Doesn't mean you have to run marathons or ride 40k a day. Just sensible stuff, making time for it too. I've stressed to my mum so much that she needs to get back into walking - and she has made time for it now just to do 30 mins a day.
 
But that number would be with lockdowns in place.

It's a new virus, no-one can be 100% sure what will happen in the future or what the long term effects will be. Will we have mutations that can bypass the vaccine?? No-one knows but its best we prepare for the worst outcome and have a track and trace system that works for the summer when restrictions end. Pull the Serco contract and let PHE and the NHS sort it themselves.

Lets look at the positives though, It's been a wake up call for some people to look at having a healthier lifestyle. The majority of people have more appreciation for the NHS and we need to protect it. The environment has had a minor break from mass pollution. The majority of people have come together and embraced a more community spirit.

We will overcome this.

Re. the new virus stuff, it is new, but we've now known about it 12 months and look at the developments we've made.

It's still a virus and every virus in the same way in terms of its goal is to survive by infecting hosts and so on and so on.

It's why they are confident on the vaccines.It's why the UK CMOs were confident in taking the risk to increase the spacing out - because it's still a virus at the end of the day, and our immune systems will still act in the same way to try and fend it off.

Obviously new variants are of concern but that shouldn't - and I don't think it does for the people who matter when it comes to beating this - mean panic. It just means we'll have to be prepared to move the medicine along with it - which they're already doing (Pfizer already reckon they've got the South African variant covered, for example).

We'll have to see how it goes in the next few weeks with schools going back. I'm concerned we'll see a rise but obviously that is going to happen - it's how high the rise is. Hopefully it doesn't push things back further but if it does, it does.
 
Not meaning to come at you but aren't people drinking more than ever and exercising less since the pandemic started? I think the majority of people will be in much worse condition physically and mentally.

Think a lot of people have seen that covid affects people who are overweight a lot more severly and took action.

Home gym equipment was like rocking horse crap during the first lockdown and sales for the like of Peleton went through the roof. Halfords profits through bike sales are record growth.

Drink sales will have gone up due to no pubs or clubs so its hard to say if we are drinking more.
 
Think a lot of people have seen that covid affects people who are overweight a lot more severly and took action.

Home gym equipment was like rocking horse crap during the first lockdown and sales for the like of Peleton went through the roof. Halfords profits through bike sales are record growth.

Drink sales will have gone up due to no pubs or clubs so its hard to say if we are drinking more.
A lot of people bought gym equipment as gyms are shut. I suppose its hard to evaluate these things without concrete figures.
 
The vaccine works.
We need to stop being so obsessed with variants.
This, really. There will always be variants. That will always affect efficacy. But we need to prepare for a world where vaccines are tweaked annually as with flu.

The vaccines are going to offer sufficient protection from serious illness. They’ll need tweaking, people will need boosters, but it will mean that the risks are greatly diminished to the point where we can live with this in near normality.

Let’s get everyone sorted, the infrastructure in place to offer boosters to those most at risk and then let’s move on.
 
The BS over vaccines trumpeted by an the army of willing Pollyannas (you see them on here) who are wishful-thinking 'old normal' back again will be responsible for putting us back in lockdown. They just want another summer blowout.

Rinse and repeat for the next few years with hundreds of thousands dead.

Anyone who call them out on it are then gaslighted.

Talking of vaccines, I note with some interest, that in light of the fact that the AZ Oxford vaccine, appears to be highly effective, that you’ve quietly dropped dismissing it as good for nothing gnats piss and trying to frighten people into not taking it.

Also, that you’ve not so subtly moved onto your new hobby horse, that the easing of the lockdown restrictions will set the world on fire again.
 
Talking of vaccines, I note with some interest, that in light of the fact that the AZ Oxford vaccine, appears to be highly effective, that you’ve quietly dropped dismissing it as good for nothing gnats piss and trying to frighten people into not taking it.

Also, that you’ve not so subtly moved onto your new hobby horse, that the easing of the lockdown restrictions will set the world on fire again.

Sad thing is, we will see a spike in cases every time things open up - they all said as much last week.

But we know it's expected and know that we have to keep it at manageable levels.

Yet I'm sure Dave will use it to prove that he was right...
 
Sad thing is, we will see a spike in cases every time things open up - they all said as much last week.

But we know it's expected and know that we have to keep it at manageable levels.

Yet I'm sure Dave will use it to prove that he was right...

As long as the spikes aren’t causing hospitalisation and serious illness / death, it’s something that we’ll have to live with.

As we saw last Summer, the cases dropped to almost nothing and that was without the vaccine and the press screaming about packed beaches.

Based on that, you’d fully expect it to almost disappear in large parts of the country, which would mean that the vaccine roll out can hammer the less vulnerable groups during this time. Hopefully meaning that it’s all done and dusted for the onset of the colder weather this Winter.

He’ll go back into mothballs in the Summer, just like he did last year.
 
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