Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[peteblue]

Hello you dirty horrible manc.

Seems as tho your about to get banned, maybe you should know, nobody likes mancs, NOBODY.

But most people on here hate tories more than dirty horrible mancs.

Harsh I thought......

 

[Tubey]

What Whitty said (about the vaccines doing the heavy lifting) was very concerning - it sounded a lot like like they aren't going to do anything substantial to try and prevent this thing spreading (hence R now being an irrelevance in terms of whether these measures are working) , just rely on the vaccine preventing hospitalizations and deaths.

That would work domestically for only as long as the protections from this set of vaccines last, and could easily lead to ongoing problems with foreign travel further down the line (especially to countries who have got systems to control outbreaks). It also guarantees that, in the event of a completely different pandemic happening (or this pandemic mutates into one that the vaccine doesn't prevent hospitalizations and deaths), that we'll be faced with the situation we were in March 2020 again.

No, that's not what he - nor I - have been saying. They're just admitting what you want - all avoidable COVID deaths to be avoided, no matter what - is impossible, because there's a recognition that by avoiding those deaths you're creating others by tanking the economy and causing a myriad of mental health issues, destroyings kids development through schools etc.

So what they've said is that even if the R rate goes above one, if that doesn't translate to loads of deaths/hospitalisations, then so be it, because we have a tolerance in regards to acceptable levels of death from one thing when the alternative is much worse. That's just the reality of it.

 

[BlueToff]

it isn't - we can (should and absolutely must after this) prevent spread via means other than lockdown; that is how every successful country in this has done it

Okay, but those said countries - which have had success - still require the vaccine too.

 

[BlueToff]

Ilve been saying this for weeks mate.

"Der vaxeens will sort it lad" is the ultimate in numbnuts thinking.

They'll help. That's it.

How did other nations where Covid19 is more like a nuisance than the Black Death? Not by vaccines, but by track and trace and behaving collectively.

As you say, the vaccines will give us here about a few months before they need tweaking....then another roll out.

IT IS NOT THE ANSWER.

But, David, THEY STILL NEED THE VACCINES

 

[tsubaki]

No, that's not what he - nor I - have been saying. They're just admitting what you want - all avoidable COVID deaths to be avoided, no matter what - is impossible, because there's a recognition that by avoiding those deaths you're creating others by tanking the economy and causing a myriad of mental health issues, destroyings kids development through schools etc.

So what they've said is that even if the R rate goes above one, if that doesn't translate to loads of deaths/hospitalisations, then so be it, because we have a tolerance in regards to acceptable levels of death from one thing when the alternative is much worse. That's just the reality of it.

No Tubey, thats not what I want. Its not what I've ever said I want, IIRC. If you are going to talk about the reality of it then you could at least acknowledge the reality of what was said.

What I want is to have an effective test, trace and isolate system in place that can stamp on those outbreaks before they ever get out of control - that means we can keep our economy open, prevent school closures, prevent mental health damage etc etc. Not only will that still help with this pandemic, it will - as various countries found with SARS - help with the next one, too. This country not coming out of this crisis (as a whole, not this lockdown) with that in place is, frankly, mindless.

 

[davek]

For what?

An arm wrestle?

Infections in parts of the NW going up:

 

[BlueToff]

Are New Zealand going to ban visitors for the rest of time?

Are Australia going to demand a 2-week quarantine and go into snap lockdowns if there's 3 cases?

Are Thailand going to go the rest of time shutting down when there's a single case, as was the case in December?

Of course they aren't.

Have the measures they have taken been 'successful' in managing the virus - yes they have, and they should provide glowing examples of how to do it. But... they still need the vaccine. Or they'll be stuck in a state of perpetual restrictions or wholesale, invasive track and tracing and testing.

 

[Goat]

Infections in parts of the NW going up:

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That sounds like a Manchester problem.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

The whole vaccine passport is definitely going to be a thing - more so to bribe the younger generations who'll likely not be as bothered with getting it compared to the reported large uptake of the vulnerable/elderly who've taken it when offered.

Be interesting if the same Covidiots you get swarming the comments sections of your sky news, ladbible etc articles will stick to their principles if if means they cant go on holiday or to a concert...

 

[arminisgod]

foreign travel allowed from 21st June.

Thank [Poor language removed]

 

[davek]

But, David, THEY STILL NEED THE VACCINES

...and they'll use them the right way: to back up their strategy of suppressing the virus.

Vaccine use here in this country will be instead of a proper track and trace system.

 

[Goat]

The whole vaccine passport is definitely going to be a thing - more so to bribe the younger generations who'll likely not be as bothered with getting it than the large uptake of the vulnerable/elderly.

Be interesting if the same Covidiots you get swarming the comments sections of your sky news, ladbible etc articles will stick to their principles if if means they cant go on holiday or to a concert...

Be boss seeing all the utter bellends with their "vaccine exempt" lanyards they bought from Amazon getting volleyed out of Goodison.

 

[davek]

That sounds like a Manchester problem.

It suggest that there are going to be pockets of infection that will thrive on reopening and then people moving around from there will be a danger to us all.

 

[Goat]

It suggest that there are going to be pockets of infection that will thrive on reopening and then people moving around from there will be a danger to us all.

CLOSE THE REGIONAL BORDERS


Or, get vaccinated.

Im ok with either option.

 

[marnie]

foreign travel allowed from 21st June.

Thank [Poor language removed]

Earliest 17th May mate.