Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Deleted member 48881]

You're full of crap.

You keep peddling crap tweets which are clearly false because they are against lockdowns and masks.

You are like a kopite and try to play the victim when pulled up on your nonsence.

Thanks mate. I love you regardless when in not covid thread. No hard feelings from me. But if I drive you crazy, again, you may put me on ignore till the pandemic ends. Its your call.
I am not only what position I hold on covid thread. I offer more as a person. But I understand some people feel differently on various stuff.

 

[roydo]

Answer me this: if the most vulnerabe are over 70 or whatever, then why aren't we seeing with them (and with those who had the Pfizer vaccine at least...which I think most of that age group had) second shots delivered before going to younger people - in their 50s, for example, who overwhelmingly wont be killed by Covid19?

Put it this way.

The strategy, designed by the folk who made the stuff, is similar to fitting a safety belt in every car as quickly as possible, or putting two safety belts in the cars of the elderly first.

 

[Goat]

Thanks mate. I love you regardless when in not covid thread. No hard feelings from me. But if I drive you crazy, again, you may put me on ignore till the pandemic ends. Its your call.
I am not only what position I hold on covid thread. I offer more as a person. But I understand some people feel differently on various stuff.

I think hes maybe suggesting you stop posting stuff that is clearly not true in order to push your agenda, things like that cost lives, make people angry and upset for no reason and fuel the utter bellends on facebook who feed on misinformation.

 

[spectateur]

Since the UK is not doing second doses until up to a 12 week interval that means little.

They've done more than a country who purposely are following a policy of not doing any at all for the moment doesn't sound that impressive tbh.

My point was the more you publicly slur and castigate for your own political purposes, even spreading fake news with dubious politicised interpretations of scientific evidence in Europe, the more distrust and fear there will be.

It's inevitable, and it's happening.

Which country is not doing any at all?

France has done 2.5 M initial and over 1M double vaccinations.

I myself have appointments for the 1st on 10 mars and 2nd on 31mars.
Pfizer vaccine at the manufacturers recommended time interval.

I agree that unfortunately this whole covid 19 has been over politicised.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Which country is not doing any at all?

France has done 2.5 M initial and over 1M double vaccinations.

I myself have appointments for the 1st on 10 mars and 2nd on 31mars.
Pfizer vaccine at the manufacturers recommended time interval.

I agree that unfortunately this whole covid 19 has been over politicised.

Since the week starting January 8th the UK has followed a policy of only giving first doses, leaving a gap of up to 12 weeks until the second doses are due to be given.

You know this, so why am I bothering?

Up to January 5th a very small number of highly vulnerable people had received a second dose. The figure reached for those having a second dose in the UK will now therefore be virtually fixed on the number that had done so by very early January.

If therefore the second doses for the overwhelming majority of those already vaccinated won't be until late March at the very earliest it's not surprising that in the three month interval some countries will have a number receiving both jabs greater than the very small number here.

The date in early January don't be accurate across all boroughs but you get the general point.

 

[BlueToff]

But they'd have it and be less at risk if they did get the virus. Is there anything more obvious than that?

But they are already significantly less at risk and, by and large, they are shielding, which also reduces the risk.

It also means that the people who they rely on to care for them (if needed), are more likely to have a significant amount of protection as well.

It's working. Well. Concentrate on the next government cock up. I'm sure it's just around the corner. But the vaccine roll out is going very well.

 

[BlueToff]

Answer me this: if the most vulnerabe are over 70 or whatever, then why aren't we seeing with them (and with those who had the Pfizer vaccine at least...which I think most of that age group had) second shots delivered before going to younger people - in their 50s, for example, who overwhelmingly wont be killed by Covid19?

Well then that's just shot down your entire argument for continued lockdown and behavioural changes.

If anybody has even dared to say "it's mostly older people dying" during this, you've leapt down their throats and accused them of playing the seriousness of it down.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Hospital figures - 306 deaths were announced today, down 53 on yesterday and down 65 on last Sunday. 258 deaths were in English hospitals, down 51 on yesterday and down 43 on last week. The 7 day rolling average falls to 401.43

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 215 deaths were announced today, down 230 on yesterday and down 43 on last Sunday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 487.71

For the 60 day cut off, 260 deaths were announced today, down 364 on yesterday and down 37 on last Sunday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 637.86

 

[davek]

Well then that's just shot down your entire argument for continued lockdown and behavioural changes.

If anybody has even dared to say "it's mostly older people dying" during this, you've leapt down their throats and accused them of playing the seriousness of it down.

That makes no sense. Older people mostkly do die ffrom it and that's why we have to lockdown.

 

[davek]

But they are already significantly less at risk and, by and large, they are shielding, which also reduces the risk.

It also means that the people who they rely on to care for them (if needed), are more likely to have a significant amount of protection as well.

It's working. Well. Concentrate on the next government cock up. I'm sure it's just around the corner. But the vaccine roll out is going very well.

Depends on whether you use full vaccination or partial vaccination as your metric:

The former = one of the lowest in Europe
The latter = highest in Europe

Which is better?

For me it has to be the one that drills down to THE most vulnerable and covers therm first.

 

[Goat]

Depends on whether you use full vaccination or partial vaccination as your metric:

The former = one of the lowest in Europe
The latter = highest in Europe

Which is better?

For me it has to be the one that drills down to THE most vulnerable and covers therm first.

The 1 that means we have 17m people protected from death Dave.

 

[BlueToff]

That makes no sense. Older people mostkly do die ffrom it and that's why we have to lockdown.

But then we could just say let's lock all the older people away and let everyone else get on with their lives, couldn't we...

 

[davek]

Put it this way.

The strategy, designed by the folk who made the stuff, is similar to fitting a safety belt in every car as quickly as possible, or putting two safety belts in the cars of the elderly first.

I think that's quite right as an analogy. But the strategy comes from politicians.

Just as the over-80s have the greatest fatality rate on the roads, they have the highest fatality rate with Covid19. So you put 2 seat belts / vaccines toward the over-8s and get to the younger later.

 

[Goat]

I think that's quite right as an analogy. But the strategy comes from politicians.

Just as the over-80s have the greatest fatality rate on the roads, they have the highest fatality rate with Covid19. So you put 2 seat belts / vaccines toward the over-8s and get to the younger later.

lol lol lol

But we dont put 2 seatbelts on the over 80s, we stop them from driving.

 

[davek]

The 1 that means we have 17m people protected from death Dave.

Maybe.

Look. If they get through the 4 million most vulnerable with 2 jabs, I'd agree that reaching the rest of the popualtion like that would be an achievement. As it stands, it;s a political decision to reach down to younger groups first before giving full protection to the vulnerable...they know "17 millon vaccinated" etc scores them popularity at the polls; they also know it makes businesses open earlier. That is all at the expense of the full coverage of the vulnerable.

You're not daft, you see that I'm sure.