Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Apart from the shelves being empty the times I've been to Tesco's I've found it quite civilised.

yeah because of my arm injury I’ve had to call the shops most days just because deliveries are not an option so logistically I’ve had to do relatively small piecemeal b by bit type shopping and generally I’ve seen no bad behaviour . No toilet rolls and hand wash etc but civilised and plenty of most other stuff . Recognising my obvious injury staff have been really helpful as well . I’ve definitely seen a number of the same people with huge trolleys on several occasions though . Surely just on a space factor they’re gonna have to run out of room to store all of this stuff soon or Run out of money ?

from a personal point of view I’m hoping to be back using both arms soon so that’ll hopefully be just in time for the impending collapse of society .
 
This is for Singapore, Taiwan and HK.

This is for South Korea

Nothing will make Wuhan special in comparison to the previous 4 mentioned nations.

I have friends in Hubei Province and the scene that they are painting of both Wuhan and Hubei isn't nice. You'd have to be a bit 'special' to take what the Chinese authorities say as fact.
But for Singapore, Taiwan and HK seem to largely be a spike in cases due to returning travellers from abroad, not 2nd wave community spread cases due to a relaxation of quarantine. That isn’t to say that won’t happen, it would be surprising if it didn’t to some extent tbh, just don’t think the evidence is there in the data.

The S Korea cases have indeed increased a little, as I posted earlier in the thread. They found a cluster in a nursing home iirc and have now expanded testing to all nursing homes irrespective of symptoms so that ramp up in numbers might continue for a few days sadly. Certainly worth keeping an eye on.

I don’t think I ever said that Wuhan would be special or to take Chinese data as fact, just asked for evidence of an increase. You could have provided your personal reports from local contacts initially rather than going straight for the insults.
 
This confuses me. You were vehemently anti-Brexit and that was because you saw, as many others did, that economic nationalism was a disaster in the making. Britain was going down the populist route and you called it as folly. You were a critic of Operation Yellowhammer, precisely because it revealed a scale of unpreparedness that put the British (and EU) economy in jeopardy. So how can you now believe that the reaction to this CV19 crisis by the same people hasn't added to an already terrible situation?

That was a voluntary disruption. I don't have stats to hand, but pandemics don't strike me as something that affects Britain that often.
 
That's an awful situation for you and your family.
Yes mate. Especially him and my mum. Having the grandchildren not visiting and his mates will bring him right down. God knows what effect this will have on all residents around the country and the world I guess
 
yeah because of my arm injury I’ve had to call the shops most days just because deliveries are not an option so logistically I’ve had to do relatively small piecemeal b by bit type shopping and generally I’ve seen no bad behaviour . No toilet rolls and hand wash etc but civilised and plenty of most other stuff . Recognising my obvious injury staff have been really helpful as well . I’ve definitely seen a number of the same people with huge trolleys on several occasions though . Surely just on a space factor they’re gonna have to run out of room to store all of this stuff soon or Run out of money ?

from a personal point of view I’m hoping to be back using both arms soon so that’ll hopefully be just in time for the impending collapse of society .

Too much of the old 'how's yer father' mate...
 
Sainsbury's dedicated shopping hour for vulnerable people 'chaotic and crowded'


Elderly and vulnerable customers who visited Sainsbury’s stores for a dedicated shopping hour have said they were met with huge crowds and empty shelves on Thursday morning.

The first hour of trading at the supermarket’s 2,300 UK stores had been set aside for the exclusive use of those whose health is most at risk from the disease. Many people have taken to social media to complain about the chaos.


Teresa Marsh, 63, who visited Sainsbury’s Balham superstore, in south-west London, with her 71-year-old husband, described the dedicated hour as “a waste of time”.

“It was very, very busy. There were vulnerable people up close and personal in that scrum when I thought it would be a sedate shopping experience,” she said. “There was very little tinned fish, no toilet rolls, no kitchen rolls, no tinned tomatoes. I didn’t feel there was any advantage.”

Marsh added that she felt Sainsbury’s should have provided signage outlining the dedicated hour to both security guards and customers. “As I left about half seven, there were security on the door just letting people in – it didn’t matter what age they were, they were just saying in you go. It was just getting busier,” she said.

Daniella Brice, 37, from Lingfield, in Surrey, who has asthma and diabetes and is seven months pregnant, said her 73-year-old mother went to the Sainsbury’s store in East Grinstead, Sussex, at 6.50am to pick up some essentials for her.


Although “she was looking forward to it as has found the shops so stressful”, she had to queue to get in the store, to find the shelves empty of bread, milk, loo roll, tins, meat and spices.

“She then endured huge queues at checkout as they hadn’t opened most checkouts – putting her close to other shoppers for a prolonged time,” said Brice. “All it has done it lower my mum’s moral and confidence even more.”

Leighton Snowdon, 21, from Newcastle, pointed out that some customers whose disabilities were not visible had been subject to misguided scrutiny. Snowdon, who has autism and ADHD, said he presented his disabled person’s bus pass to a staff member at the Heaton superstore but received “lots of comments from people saying there isn’t anything wrong with him”.

He also said that despite arriving at 6.30am – half an hour before the shop opened – it was impossible to avoid large crowds. “[By] around 6:50am around 300 people queuing up and before the store opened the car park was almost full and people we’re running for the toilet rolls,” said Snowdon.



Another Twitter user, who did not want to be named, said he had picked up his 74-year-old mother, who lives at home with his elderly and disabled father to take her to the Surbiton superstore in south-west London. When they arrived there was a “very long queue” outside, while a shop assistant had said it was “rammed inside”.

Meanwhile, Gaynor Young, 40, said her 75-year-old father, Richard, had queued for a ticket to get into the store for 20 minutes at the Brentwood superstore in Essex.

Across the country, an influx of general customers saw queues and shelves emptied at supermarkets on Thursday morning, with videos on social media showing crowds pushing trolleys against shop doors as they waited for them to open.

Amid the scramble to stockpile essentials, the environment secretary, George Eustace, told the Commons there was a “significant resilience in our food supply chain”. He added: “There isn’t a shortage of food, the challenge that we’ve had is getting food to shelves in time when people have been purchasing more.”

In a statement, Sainsbury’s said that customers over 70 or who have a disability would be given priority access to its online delivery slots from Monday 23 March. It added that it would be expanding its “click and collect” services for all customers.

A Sainsbury’s spokesperson said, “We would like to thank our customers who supported the decision to dedicate an hour in our supermarkets this morning to the elderly and vulnerable. We know that they appreciated the early access and we will listen to feedback from our customers and colleagues.”

Horrendous.

WTF are those useless 'security' guards there for if they cant enforce a door policy for an hour? Those fellers always strike me as being spare arse parts, and that underlines it.
 
Here we go. Wife has a temperature of 38. I'm going in.
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(Good luck)
 
That was a voluntary disruption. I don't have stats to hand, but pandemics don't strike me as something that affects Britain that often.
It was disruption that was contemplated by the very people who are now overseeing the cack handed ad hoc response to this crisis.

How you cant see the link is beyond me.
 
This confuses me. You were vehemently anti-Brexit and that was because you saw, as many others did, that economic nationalism was a disaster in the making. Britain was going down the populist route and you called it as folly. You were a critic of Operation Yellowhammer, precisely because it revealed a scale of unpreparedness that put the British (and EU) economy in jeopardy. So how can you now believe that the reaction to this CV19 crisis by the same people hasn't added to an already terrible situation?
That is like comparing Eggs to Apples, not similar scenarios in any sense!
 
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