Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Think this is a preprint but encouraging

One of the key questions regarding COVID19 vaccines is whether they can reduce viral shedding. To date, Israel vaccinated substantial parts of the adult population, which enables extracting real world signals. The vaccination rollout started on Dec 20th 2020, utilized mainly the BNT162b2 vaccine, and focused on individuals who are 60 years or older. By now, more than 75% of the individuals of this age group have been at least 14 days after the first dose, compared to 25% of the individuals between ages 40-60 years old. Here, we traced the Ct value distribution of 16,297 positive qPCR tests in our lab between Dec 1st to Jan 31st that came from these two age groups. As we do not have access to the vaccine status of each test, our hypothesis was that if vaccines reduce viral load, we should see a difference in the Ct values between these two age groups in late January but not before.

Consistent with this hypothesis, until Jan 15th, we did not find any statistically significant differences in the average Ct value between the groups. In stark contrast, our results in the last two weeks of January show a significant weakening in the average Ct value of 60+ individuals to the 40-60 group. To further corroborate these results, we also used a series nested linear models to explain the Ct values of the positive tests. This analysis favored a model that included an interaction between age and the late January time period, consistent with the effect of vaccination. We then used demographic data and the daily vaccination rates to estimate the effect of vaccination on viral load reduction.

Our estimate suggests that vaccination reduces the viral load by 1.6x to 20x in individuals who are positive for SARS-CoV-2. This estimate might improve after more individuals receive the second dose. Taken together, our findings indicate vaccination is not only important for individual's protection but can reduce transmission.
 
Well, would it solve much?

Wearing a mask in a restaurant or in a bar or in a pub or going to a concert or a match just isn't feasible.

And large gatherings are probably just as responsible for passing bugs around surely.

I think masks will be the norm/mandatory in shops/retail/supermarkets on transport etc for a while to come, but in any other scenario it's just too much. It's the lockdown which is having an impact, and probably that anybody who would have died of flu this year is most likely (not definitely) getting covid and sadly not making it.
As far as I’m aware the flu is spread in much the same way as Covid so masks would cut down that initial transmission vector.

People with flu can spread it to others up to about 6 feet away. Most experts think that flu viruses spread mainly by droplets made when people with flu cough, sneeze or talk. These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs. Less often, a person might get flu by touching a surface or object that has flu virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes.


Seasonal flu, unlike Covid, can also be very harmful to kids so I’m not sure bolded bit is true,
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/highrisk/children.htm Each year, millions of children get sick with seasonal flu; thousands of children are hospitalized, and some children die from flu. Children commonly need medical care because of flu, especially children younger than 5 years old.
 
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Think this is a preprint but encouraging

One of the key questions regarding COVID19 vaccines is whether they can reduce viral shedding. To date, Israel vaccinated substantial parts of the adult population, which enables extracting real world signals. The vaccination rollout started on Dec 20th 2020, utilized mainly the BNT162b2 vaccine, and focused on individuals who are 60 years or older. By now, more than 75% of the individuals of this age group have been at least 14 days after the first dose, compared to 25% of the individuals between ages 40-60 years old. Here, we traced the Ct value distribution of 16,297 positive qPCR tests in our lab between Dec 1st to Jan 31st that came from these two age groups. As we do not have access to the vaccine status of each test, our hypothesis was that if vaccines reduce viral load, we should see a difference in the Ct values between these two age groups in late January but not before.

Consistent with this hypothesis, until Jan 15th, we did not find any statistically significant differences in the average Ct value between the groups. In stark contrast, our results in the last two weeks of January show a significant weakening in the average Ct value of 60+ individuals to the 40-60 group. To further corroborate these results, we also used a series nested linear models to explain the Ct values of the positive tests. This analysis favored a model that included an interaction between age and the late January time period, consistent with the effect of vaccination. We then used demographic data and the daily vaccination rates to estimate the effect of vaccination on viral load reduction.

Our estimate suggests that vaccination reduces the viral load by 1.6x to 20x in individuals who are positive for SARS-CoV-2. This estimate might improve after more individuals receive the second dose. Taken together, our findings indicate vaccination is not only important for individual's protection but can reduce transmission.
This is extremely good news. Its starting to look like the only worry now is logistics of getting these vaccines out and whether they all work on the variants. I am confident that basically all vaccines will work to a degree on the variants so the world should be in a better position by 2022.
 
As far as I’m aware the flu is spread in much the same way as Covid so masks would cut down that initial transmission vector.



Seasonal flu, unlike Covid, can also be very harmful to kids so I’m not sure bolded bit is true,

I'm all for keeping some measures in place while vaccines are rolled out and in the immediate aftermath of this.

I'm not sure if everyone wearing masks whenever in public every winter becomes realistic though when you factor in large crowds/events - whenever they do come back. Surely they'll play a large part?

I don't know Legs, but I'm pretty sure in the UK there'll be a lot of older people who have died from covid in the last few months who, if covid didn't exist and we just were going on as we ever had done in the past, they'd have been going into hospital with influenza or pneumonia this flu season.

That's really not too much of a stretch. The lockdown measures are helping reduce numbers but it's like COVID has superseded flu and pneumonia in some cases which, let's face it, makes sense, given how it spreads.

But, that obviously doesn't make it right and if there is something we can do about it going forward then we should do. But is it realistic to expect, which comes back to my initial point.
 
I'm not sure treating it as a competition is all that healthy mate, no one in the West has been perfect in their response but I find it hard to believe people of science have political goals constantly in mind, even if their public persona has to be a balancing act because those in charge are very ruthless, very dishonest people. At least both were until very recently in the states
Its political at NHS ward level GP level, and its political with councilors in Local Authorities directing monies towards or away from from various services.... Very naive if you ask me to think there is not a degree politicizing at the very top at these press conferences. Maybe Whitty Vallence Van Tam et al. Square it by the pursing "greater good ". Anyway, you only have to listen to SAGE members who go on to speak independently of SAGE, to get insight of the politics at play.
 
As do I. If it’s not mandated I think the vast majority of people would bin them immediately.
I wouldn't wear a mask out of choice if there wasn't a pandemic. If say for example it was a bad flu season and they advised us to wear them on public transport or whatever I wouldn't have an issue with wearing one but I wouldn't wear one in the summer when flu deaths are extremely low.
 
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