Mrk
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Absolutely. I really don't envy the people having to make those calls as it is literally a case of deciding how many lives we can tolerate being lost against how many livelihoods we can tolerate being lost.
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I regularly post the articles I find out about the subject because I find it interesting and am personally very conflicted about which is the best approach, not because I have an axe to grind about who will be the “winner” in the clearly different strategies that the UK and US are taking to the Pfizer vaccine in particular.
Mrk
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You're right, but the foundations of our economy are based on consumption, so while many parts of the economy have been able to be productive with only moderate disruption, by removing many of the consumption cogs from our economy, in theory, we'd have expected to see the economy fail to function. Much of that is thanks to furlough as well as some quite impressive policies from central banks around the world - but I'm still surprised we're in such a relatively healthy state when you consider it all.
Wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence.
don't think he was speaking about you legs!
anyway, I disagree with his general point - it's fair to have an opinion and fair for posters to call out what they don't agree with. But, as it stands, there isn't evidence that the UK's approach is actually wrong in regards to people getting ill because of the delays. Obviously, that might change any day, but let's just hope it doesn't. Because this approach is definitely more realistic for ending this thing as quickly as possible.
peteblue
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I see Spain has now lowered the age limit for the AZ vaccine that they cannot get hold of to 55.....that‘ll put one over the Germans and French, murdering their 56-65 year olds.......remind me again of the role of the EMA......
How to hide vaccine incompetence 101
1) Blame the manufacturer of the vaccine you are desperate to get hold of (AZ)
2) Cover your back by threatening Legal action
3) Deny anything to do with best efforts.
4) Threaten to publish contract, crap yourself when manufacturer actually does so and ‘best efforts’ is all over it.
5) Accept the offer that had already been on the table to pull doses forward one week and declare it a new success
6) Quietly forget about any Legal action
7) Blame the country that refused to join the EU purchase scheme (we hate them anyway)
8) Attempt to cause mayhem at the NI/ROI border (it’s only Ireland)
9) Ignore the EMA and develop diversion tactics (get VDL to plead for German help)
10) Rubbish the product you are desperate to get hold of so as to manage a reduced in country demand under the pretence of higher standards and slag the Brits off at the same time.
11) Out-do the last countries declared limitations so as to sound superior, quote lack of data continuously, don’t mention lack of product.
12) Watch the U.K. inoculate the whole country mostly using AZ
13) Try to be first to declare that AZ have now provided enough data and seek more supplies before the rest of EU can get their grubby hands on them
14) If anyone gets uppity go back to step 1).....
How to hide vaccine incompetence 101
1) Blame the manufacturer of the vaccine you are desperate to get hold of (AZ)
2) Cover your back by threatening Legal action
3) Deny anything to do with best efforts.
4) Threaten to publish contract, crap yourself when manufacturer actually does so and ‘best efforts’ is all over it.
5) Accept the offer that had already been on the table to pull doses forward one week and declare it a new success
6) Quietly forget about any Legal action
7) Blame the country that refused to join the EU purchase scheme (we hate them anyway)
8) Attempt to cause mayhem at the NI/ROI border (it’s only Ireland)
9) Ignore the EMA and develop diversion tactics (get VDL to plead for German help)
10) Rubbish the product you are desperate to get hold of so as to manage a reduced in country demand under the pretence of higher standards and slag the Brits off at the same time.
11) Out-do the last countries declared limitations so as to sound superior, quote lack of data continuously, don’t mention lack of product.
12) Watch the U.K. inoculate the whole country mostly using AZ
13) Try to be first to declare that AZ have now provided enough data and seek more supplies before the rest of EU can get their grubby hands on them
14) If anyone gets uppity go back to step 1).....
grandjoeblue
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The UK approach will work as the majority will have some immunity sooner. Saving countless lives as we're currently a covid hotspot and saving lives is the goal.
My post wasn't about him though you are right. There are plenty of things to blame the government about as they've messed everything up but the vaccine roll out is arguably the only thing they've done well.
CharliePotato
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Exactly, and there is a reason why the death rate in the UK is higher, it’s counted differently.
Spot on this, my fear would be that once it stops being a crisis of the economyl just watch how the tap gets turned off
All these countries advising against the Oxford vaccine in the older age ranges has me really apprehensive. My 66 yr old mother got the pfizer vaccine last week but my 70 yr old father got the Oxford one yesterday. We are nearly 5 weeks into the Oxford one being rolled out how much longer before the data on this comes out do people think.
The US phase 3 data (which included more over 65s than previous trials) is due out in 4-6 weeks
The initial data was pretty encouraging though, there wasn’t anything that seemed to contra-indicate that it wasn’t effective, just that more data would be preferable.
If you want to do your own reading to reassure yourself here are some of the articles/papers,
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32623-4/fulltexthttps://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32623-4/fulltext
Some of the early data
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32661-1/fulltext
and the follow ups that involved older groups
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32466-1/fulltext
Thanks for the reply, much appreciated
My uncle who is about your Dad’s age got his first AZ jab this week too!
ForeverBlue92
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Wouldn't worry about it Lezza - if you would have been offered the AZ this time last year when everyone was panicking about COVID arriving here you would have snapped their hands off for it.
My nan got the AZ and apart from a small allergic reaction has been fine - hope I get the AZ at least its been some what tested with the 12 week spacing between doses!
arminisgod
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They are advising against it because they can't get it. Its all politics.
The vaccine is brilliant and works
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