Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Moomin]

All I see is people crying if they don't like something and finding someone else to blame rather than looking at themselves.

Yes, you are right that if Murdoch and his cronies get hold of things like the BBC, then that's bad. I couldn't agree more. But I don't think they will.

Each individual journalist or presenter has a voice and can use that voice how they wish.

Thats not the case though, they will do as they are told.

 

[tsubaki]

I‘m sure that will be a great comfort to the 98% of the German public who have received no protection at all.....

“the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”

 

[tsubaki]

All I see is people crying if they don't like something and finding someone else to blame rather than looking at themselves.

Yes, you are right that if Murdoch and his cronies get hold of things like the BBC, then that's bad. I couldn't agree more. But I don't think they will.

Each individual journalist or presenter has a voice and can use that voice how they wish.

TBF it would be extremely interesting to see if Rupes has had his second dose yet.

 

[BlueToff]

That’s actually quite good, take Ireland we are running the two dose strategy, if we were running one dose we’d have double the amount of people, so we’d be up close to 9 considering we’ve only had two vaccines until next week, we’re doing well and the U.K. had a few weeks of a head start!

The comparative figures will flatline and grow closer eventually when the UK start second dosing the majority. I saw yesterday figures were the U.K. was behimd most of Europe for second doses. Figures can be easily non reflective, depending on the premise.


I think a bit to much is being made of roll out success and failure to be honest.

We will have half our population fully vaccinated by the end of June, the U.K. are aiming for everyone to have a first dose by then, it’s in and around the same thing really, just a slight of hand.

Half our population will be fully protected, the whole of the U.K. population will have a measure of protection. Which is better depends on your outlook.

The good news is everyone seems to be getting enough vaccine presently!

Yeah and the important thing is that by the time that happens, a fair chunk of people will have full protection too, it isn't going to be stuck around the numbers it is now.

Agree with you though, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

I've been persistent with the Pfizer one that I don't think we should mess with it or at the least reduce the spacing to 6 weeks like Denmark and France.

That being said, until/unless we see actual evidence that it's not working at 12 weeks with Pfizer then the plan will be justified.

Also, this might be a daft question, but could Pfizer not, y'know, run more tests like AZ are doing, and over a longer spacing rather than 3 weeks? Is that not possible - or are they already doing it?

 

[BlueToff]

TBF it would be extremely interesting to see if Rupes has had his second dose yet.

Well money talks in any walk of life doesn't it. It's crap but it's how it is. He was on the news when he had his first so...

 

[BlueToff]

Thats not the case though, they will do as they are told.

Yes, and some who write for the Guardian will lean left and those who write for the Telegraph are probably going to lean right.

 

[tsubaki]

Well money talks in any walk of life doesn't it. It's crap but it's how it is. He was on the news when he had his first so...

indeed, but if his rags are cheerleading delay whilst the boss has his as Pfizer intended, then that would be a staggering piece of hypocrisy - even by his standards

edit: according to the Mail (I know, but still) he has https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...doch-returns-thanks-vaccine-courtesy-NHS.html

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Those experts again!

I suppose talking about our dead would be bad style...

 

[Moomin]

Yes, and some who write for the Guardian will lean left and those who write for the Telegraph are probably going to lean right.

That might not be the case, in the end they will write what the owner wants them to write.

That's why they don't like the BBC with its impartial news overshadowing their output.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Again, a reminder that (at least as of Feb 1st) Germany have actually vaccinated (ie: given the required two doses) more people than we have.

Completely untrue comment. Vaccines are effective from the first dose. A top up dose to increase immunity is a separate matter.

 

[peteblue]

That’s actually quite good, take Ireland we are running the two dose strategy, if we were running one dose we’d have double the amount of people, so we’d be up close to 9 considering we’ve only had two vaccines until next week, we’re doing well and the U.K. had a few weeks of a head start!

The comparative figures will flatline and grow closer eventually when the UK start second dosing the majority. I saw yesterday figures were the U.K. was behimd most of Europe for second doses. Figures can be easily non reflective, depending on the premise.


I think a bit to much is being made of roll out success and failure to be honest.

We will have half our population fully vaccinated by the end of June, the U.K. are aiming for everyone to have a first dose by then, it’s in and around the same thing really, just a slight of hand.

Half our population will be fully protected, the whole of the U.K. population will have a measure of protection. Which is better depends on your outlook.

The good news is everyone seems to be getting enough vaccine presently!

It’s vaccinations given, with each jab countered separately, so I’m afraid it doesn’t double to nine....

 

[peteblue]

That’s actually quite good, take Ireland we are running the two dose strategy, if we were running one dose we’d have double the amount of people, so we’d be up close to 9 considering we’ve only had two vaccines until next week, we’re doing well and the U.K. had a few weeks of a head start!

The comparative figures will flatline and grow closer eventually when the UK start second dosing the majority. I saw yesterday figures were the U.K. was behimd most of Europe for second doses. Figures can be easily non reflective, depending on the premise.


I think a bit to much is being made of roll out success and failure to be honest.

We will have half our population fully vaccinated by the end of June, the U.K. are aiming for everyone to have a first dose by then, it’s in and around the same thing really, just a slight of hand.

Half our population will be fully protected, the whole of the U.K. population will have a measure of protection. Which is better depends on your outlook.

The good news is everyone seems to be getting enough vaccine presently!

It’s vaccinations given, with each jab countered separately, so I’m afraid it doesn’t double to nine....

 

[peteblue]

That’s actually quite good, take Ireland we are running the two dose strategy, if we were running one dose we’d have double the amount of people, so we’d be up close to 9 considering we’ve only had two vaccines until next week, we’re doing well and the U.K. had a few weeks of a head start!

The comparative figures will flatline and grow closer eventually when the UK start second dosing the majority. I saw yesterday figures were the U.K. was behimd most of Europe for second doses. Figures can be easily non reflective, depending on the premise.


I think a bit to much is being made of roll out success and failure to be honest.

We will have half our population fully vaccinated by the end of June, the U.K. are aiming for everyone to have a first dose by then, it’s in and around the same thing really, just a slight of hand.

Half our population will be fully protected, the whole of the U.K. population will have a measure of protection. Which is better depends on your outlook.

The good news is everyone seems to be getting enough vaccine presently!

It’s vaccinations given, with each jab countered separately, so I’m afraid it doesn’t double to nine....

 

[Neiler]

Yeah and the important thing is that by the time that happens, a fair chunk of people will have full protection too, it isn't going to be stuck around the numbers it is now.

Agree with you though, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

I've been persistent with the Pfizer one that I don't think we should mess with it or at the least reduce the spacing to 6 weeks like Denmark and France.

That being said, until/unless we see actual evidence that it's not working at 12 weeks with Pfizer then the plan will be justified.

Also, this might be a daft question, but could Pfizer not, y'know, run more tests like AZ are doing, and over a longer spacing rather than 3 weeks? Is that not possible - or are they already doing it?

Very true mate, priority groups in the UK - health care workers i know many who have two does already.

Its going to be interesting to see how it all plays out, UK strategy is to minimize death and hospitalizations by giving everyone the best protection, Vs Eu strategy of double dose for full protection again to reduce serious cases, with the added benefit of reaching herd immunity quicker.

All that said the research from AZ yesterday will likely see both strategies become closer together as if both regions will be working a 12 week programme i assume with AZ anyway, once Az arrives in Europe i expect you will see EU numbers rise significantly quickly on that bases as the nature of the vaccine means you have a longer time to procure the second in comparison to Pfizer or Moderna.

I haven't seen any mate, im not sure there are many countries doing the 12 weeks with MRNA and the Uk would be the biggest, so i dont think research was planned. Someone somewhere will be keeping an eye on it but im not sure that research was planned. id like to the logic from the UKs CMO, they have obviously done some. The big worry i think for the UK will be the vacuum of variants the strategy might empower, but we dont yet.

Personally i think Pfizer have a strategy, their vaccine isnt sustainable and they know this, their pitch was always getting to market first, early and at a high price, they know more functional vaccines without a cold chain are coming behind and i suspect the have already moved on the gen 2, the next big money is going to be made treating new variants and having a more functional vaccine, so im not sure they will be doing much with what they already have in place..

 

[tsubaki]

Completely untrue comment. Vaccines are effective from the first dose. A top up dose to increase immunity is a separate matter.

before saying nonsense like that, please go and read how AZ and Pfizer were approved for use in the UK. If you can find the bit that says you only need one dose, alert the NHS.