Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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The Guardian, Independent and Mirror would report it, as would all of the main TV news outlets. I'm not aware of any negative reports whatsoever. That may change in the near future as more evidence is collated but suggesting that problems may be getting suppressed seems somewhat extreme to me.

I suppose we will see about that, though given how they’ve behaved so far and the way in which they’ve not really called this (the discrepancy between what we are doing and the rest of the world) out, I have to say I don’t share your confidence.
 


I’m a bit confused on this myself.

I am not sure how they came up with 76%, 12 weeks after a single dose when their original large scale study showed only a 62% rate after two doses, then stumbled accidentally on the 90% with the half double dose and 12 weeks.

It could well be correct and I hope it is, but every-time I think I’ve made sense of The Oxford data they pull a rabbit out that seems to contradict the last thing.

Looks like the timing may be the key, hopefully.
 
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Would there, though? I think you are giving an awful lot of credit to the British press there.

What Pfizer has said is clear; what the requirements of the vaccination programme ultimately are (to **fully** vaccinate the population) are clear too.

I think it’s crazy that we’ve used this period to test an idea when we could have had two million extremely vulnerable people fully protected, and several million partially protected (with AZ).

I also TBH think it’s daft to think that a media as complicit in this disaster as ours are would ever report if it failed, especially given how much the right wing majority of it has crowed these past few days.

Yes, there would be. If we were seeing a lot of people who had their first doses dying, there would be a lot of press about it. It's a story, a new angle and one which would give credence to the stories which have been on major news sites.

We haven't really tested an idea. They've seen how grim it is and thought that the best way to suppress the virus - based on previous vaccines - is to get more people with more protection early on than less people with full protection.

We know other countries are doing it, we just are the ones who decided to push it to what seems the very extreme - but other countries haven't seen as many deaths as we have.

Don't be banging on about media bias, I can't be arsed. The last four articles I've seen in this thread are ones - quite fairly - bashing the government. It isn't a thing, neither side are ever happy and they're always convinced the media are against them.

You get some journos, some sites, yes, with a clear bias either way, but by and large the big organisations just report the news. You can look for anything to back up an argument. One of the most decisive is Peston, yet people on the right hate him, people on the left hate him, and people who are centrists seem to hate him too. Maybe he's just a prat, but it doesn't make him biased.

It's like people moaning about Captain Tom. "HE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO FUND THE NHS!!!"

He didn't 'fund the NHS'. He decided to do a nice thing and it caught on and people decided to donate. The NHS would have got by fine without the money he raised but the money he did raise went towards the NHS Charities Trust and that's great. If he hadn't had done it, the NHS or government or PHE wouldn't have been out asking for war veterans to walk around their gardens for a week. I saw someone whinging the other day that him going into hospital with covid was a headline in the paper, because there's been 100k deaths. It baffles me.

EDIT: Apologies, that media rant was less aimed at you, general thing. Should also note that the captain Tom thing was on Twitter - so my bad for even taking notice of it.
 
Yeah understand your confusion @Neiler - maybe it's just happy accidents (a lot of science is, isn't it?).

If it's definitive proof, though, then the focus needs to be on getting AZ just scaling up everywhere.

Pfizer and Moderna are sure fire ones too but the logistics are a nightmare unless somebody far cleverer than myself comes up with a way to store them.

For getting the vaccines out to poorer nations at pace, if AZ can be scaled up then that has to be the solution. Stored easier, cheaper and, importantly, can be used en masse with spacing that clearly seems to work just fine, meaning more people can be given their first dose quicker.
 
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Okay, that's the first page results of a search for 'uk vaccine spacing'.

That's obviously without going into detail or using other key terms. If you put 'vaccine spacing risks' I'm sure there's a lot more articles.

If - and I hope we don't because it means the risk has paid off, and that means lives are saved (bloody hell, my grandparents have had Pfizer!) - we had started to see or will start to see a big chunk of people getting ill in the coming weeks, then there'll be stories about it.

Fortunately, the majority of people who will have had the vaccine will still be shielding and whatever people think of the restrictions, we aren't all milling around like the Tier 2 areas were before Xmas. It should help. We'll have to see. But I'm pretty sure once/if evidence becomes clear the plan has backfired, then it'll be all over the news.
 
Yeah understand your confusion @Neiler - maybe it's just happy accidents (a lot of science is, isn't it?).

If it's definitive proof, though, then the focus needs to be on getting AZ just scaling up everywhere.

Pfizer and Moderna are sure fire ones too but the logistics are a nightmare unless somebody far cleverer than myself comes up with a way to store them.

For getting the vaccines out to poorer nations at pace, if AZ can be scaled up then that has to be the solution. Stored easier, cheaper and, importantly, can be used en masse with spacing that clearly seems to work just fine, meaning more people can be given their first dose quicker.

The moderna vaccine isn't hard to store, it has to be keep at -20. Do you know how many freezers there are in the UK that could store it, millions. I think it was put out as hard to store as the government never bought a lot of them because of the price and they had pinned all their hopes on the Oxford vaccine.
 
The moderna vaccine isn't hard to store, it has to be keep at -20. Do you know how many freezers there are in the UK that could store it, millions. I think it was put out as hard to store as the government never bought a lot of them because of the price and they had pinned all their hopes on the Oxford vaccine.
Initially Pfizer and Moderna were both being classed as needing to be stored at a lot closer than -20! If that's changed, great stuff, hadn't seen it but that's even better. They've got 10m doses ordered of Moderna and they'll be here in March/April. They also ordered plenty of Pfizer too.

I'm glad they pinned hopes on Oxford in the main - it's going to save a lot of lives, as the other ones are, but we have 100m doses ordered in total. Combined with the others, and the J&J and Novavax hopefully coming soon, then it's looking a lot better for everyone.
 
Initially Pfizer and Moderna were both being classed as needing to be stored at a lot closer than -20! If that's changed, great stuff, hadn't seen it but that's even better. They've got 10m doses ordered of Moderna and they'll be here in March/April. They also ordered plenty of Pfizer too.

I'm glad they pinned hopes on Oxford in the main - it's going to save a lot of lives, as the other ones are, but we have 100m doses ordered in total. Combined with the others, and the J&J and Novavax hopefully coming soon, then it's looking a lot better for everyone.
Moderna has always been -20C. Here's an article from mid November talking about it compared with the Pfizer one.


We have 17m of the Moderna vaccine on order. We now have over 400m doses ordered across 7 different vaccines. Some, such as Valneva, won't be available til late 2021/early 2022.
 
Moderna has always been -20C. Here's an article from mid November talking about it compared with the Pfizer one.


We have 17m of the Moderna vaccine on order. We now have over 400m doses ordered across 7 different vaccines. Some, such as Valneva, won't be available til late 2021/early 2022.
fair enough, I definitely saw a graph (sure it was BBC) which suggested it was lower, but anyway, all good.
 
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