Cool_Blue
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The problem is that you don’t know what the situation will be in the country you’re planning to travel to. Imagine going to Spain, say, and you have to lie on your sunbed with a mask on.
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peteblue
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My partner (now wife) said years ago if I was going to get flowers from a petrol station “then don’t bother” - so I haven’t for over twenty years
I convinced mine it was just a made up marketing ploy, which she accepted.....that was 50 years ago......
Youre right mate.and flying on a plane for 3 or 4 hours in a mask isn't very appealing either
grandjoeblue
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As far as I understand it efficacy relates to stopping you from getting the virus. But with some vaccines you could potentially still get the virus but the vaccine will vastly reduce the impact on your body. The oxford vaccine is believed to reduce the likelihood of people requiring hospitalisation despite its slightly lower efficacy rate.
I'm not a doctor but thats how I understand it.
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Well the calculator yesterday had me (25, no underlying conditions, not a key worker etc) down as between the end of May and the 2nd week of July for my first jab. I'd checked a month or so back and was the end of September.
I know it's not a sure fire thing, but if this rate continues I don't think it's unreasonable to expect most adults to have had their first dose by around the end of June, and I expect by then we'll have a fair few million fully vaccinated.
sbbefc
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I'd avoid foreign travel this summer. European rollout of the vaccine is slow and I don't see it being the silver bullet we're all hoping it will be anyway.
summerisle
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De Piffle strikes again, the incompetent, arrogant, wastrel, buffoon of course knows best.
The important thing to do is probably just focus on that if you have your first dose, then your chances of getting seriously ill should be reduced. Once you have your second dose, they'll be reduced further.
However, to be on the safe side, don't act any different until you've had your second dose. So, y'know, no back, sac and crack parties or wild orgies or drinking gnats piss or visiting covid incubators.
But, since we're in lockdown, then it's not really an issue not to do anything, and when we do start to open up, if we have good weather and the vaccine roll out continues at this pace and we start to see results (which we should do), then it'll be looking a lot brighter!
The important thing to do is probably just focus on that if you have your first dose, then your chances of getting seriously ill should be reduced. Once you have your second dose, they'll be reduced further.
However, to be on the safe side, don't act any different until you've had your second dose. So, y'know, no back, sac and crack parties or wild orgies or drinking gnats piss or visiting covid incubators.
But, since we're in lockdown, then it's not really an issue not to do anything, and when we do start to open up, if we have good weather and the vaccine roll out continues at this pace and we start to see results (which we should do), then it'll be looking a lot brighter!
Granted I won't be but is my understanding below correct...
Efficacy is about transmission. So if its 70 percent then roughly 7 in 10 could get the jab and not pass it on?
Or is the 70 percent relating to getting symptoms of covid?
I'm honestly not sure on the exacts mate. I thought efficacy was basically the effectiveness of preventing infection.
For example, to use the most common jab, the flu jab is 50-60% efficacy most of the time. It does stop most people who have the jab from getting ill, but doesn't necessarily stop infection.
However, the important thing with covid is to stop the health systems getting overrun. We do know how to treat it now, as horrid as it is and I know some on here have first-hand experience of that. But, it's the capacity to do so that's the issue. Once the amount of people needing to go to hopsital from getting COVID reduces enough, then it becomes completely manageable, in theory.
Very simply Vaccine efficacy/effectiveness is interpreted as the proportionate reduction in disease among the vaccinated group, it’s worked out in a controlled environment during a usually double blinded study of vaccinated, placebo etc. So a Vaccine efficey of 90% indicates a 90% reduction in disease occurrence among the vaccinated group, or a 90% reduction from the number of cases you would expect if they have not been vaccinated.
So if a 100% of the U.K. is vaccinated then statistically you would still see 10% cases of COVID.
However thats statistically because herd immunity comes into play as well with groups, essentially if there are is a 90% reduction in cases the community and you have a 90% immunity chance then you would be very unfortunate to get COVID, but there is a lot we still don’t know about the antibody response and how long it lasts etc.
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Just on a separate point based on reading the above, you absolutely do still need to take all precautions even if you’ve been vaccinated once and even twice, this is a massive danger. I’ve got my jab and have changed nothing, I could pick up the virus and still pass it on to any of you through the chain of infection. This is one of my worries with the vaccine. There is no concrete evidence that you can’t pass on the virus to others even if you’ve been vaccinated.
Yeah, I‘m pretty hopeful that they will ultimately find that transmission risk is significantly reduced from vaccinated people and initial testing has been quite positive but a) the data is not yet all in and this virus has surprised us a lot especially on asymptotic transmission so caution is warranted b) reduced transmission still doesn’t mean zero.
Thought this a good article
Covid-19 vaccines are great — but you still need to wear a mask for now
What we know and don’t know about how Covid-19 vaccines slow the spread of the virus.
www.vox.com
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