Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[roydo]

I was going to suggest that in my post but I think a lot of folks would take that understandable view even without the horrible time that you and your family have gone through.
The world might be a better place if different but I suspect I’m becoming a hippy.

Well, you chose to live in Bath.

 

[BlueToff]

I would much rather my elderly Czech relatives get vaccinated before me. If we're at a point where we're vaccinating healthy people while high risk people in Europe are going without then we have a moral duty imo.

That's fair enough.

I wish I had the moral fibre to agree with you.

I too would let my parents go before me, (they have, but thats irrelevant), but hand on heart, my priority is to get this country back to some sort of normality.

If that makes me a bad person, then soz, but thats cos I am a feeble human being, with all the flaws that entails.

And lets face it, there are not that many folk across the planet that would give up a vax in favour of a Granny in Brazil.

It's a real tough one.

Hopefully, AZ and EU sort out their disagreement. Even in the article yesterday, the AZ CEO was confident they'd be hitting decent numbers in March. Hopefully in 2-3 months time the production of the vaccines has scaled up across the globe.

As far as giving vaccines to other parts of the world goes, the issue is where the line is drawn - and that's between any country really. When does it start, and are the EU or the UK, for example, more deserving of vaccines than, say, some African nations which have been ravaged by Ebola and are now going to be the last in line for the COVID vaccine?

Money talks, as always, though.

 

[Alan Whittle]

The so called british vaccine is the only one made for not for profit, while the pandemic is in place
And will be available to poor countries that either cannot afford the other vaccines or have the infrastructure in place to use them.
This country has nothing to be ashamed of on its aims to get the vaccine out there , think we are currently the worlds second biggest contributor to getting it spread around outside rich countries.

I accept your point but “nothing to be ashamed of” is a long way from doing the right thing. My point in this thread over the past day or so is to draw out the pointlessness of finger pointing and blame and turning the vaccine issue as another stick with which to try and fail to beat the EU. Pointless and petty.

 

[peteblue]

The so called british vaccine is the only one made for not for profit, while the pandemic is in place
And will be available to poor countries that either cannot afford the other vaccines or have the infrastructure in place to use them.
This country has nothing to be ashamed of on its aims to get the vaccine out there , think we are currently the worlds second biggest contributor to getting it spread around outside rich countries.

I think I also read that the U.K. does 43% of the worlds Genome Sequencing (hence why we uncovered the mutated variant). Add that to Oxford inventing the stuff and AZ manufacturing the stuff, we don’t do too bad for such a small country.....

 

[peteblue]

That's fair enough.

It's a real tough one.

Hopefully, AZ and EU sort out their disagreement. Even in the article yesterday, the AZ CEO was confident they'd be hitting decent numbers in March. Hopefully in 2-3 months time the production of the vaccines has scaled up across the globe.

As far as giving vaccines to other parts of the world goes, the issue is where the line is drawn - and that's between any country really. When does it start, and are the EU or the UK, for example, more deserving of vaccines than, say, some African nations which have been ravaged by Ebola and are now going to be the last in line for the COVID vaccine?

Money talks, as always, though.

Look at it the way that Belgian guy did, we are testing it on the U.K......

 

[edge]

I was going to suggest that in my post but I think a lot of folks would take that understandable view even without the horrible time that you and your family have gone through.
The world might be a better place if different but I suspect I’m becoming a hippy.

Not a hippy , just a kind hearted human being.
If someone said to me , there is some old dear in Brazil needing a vax, would you step aside a suspect most people that are relatively healthy would do just that even Brexit supporters like myself.
Sadly I dont no how it would be administered in the real world.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Not a hippy , just a kind hearted human being.
If someone said to me , there is some old dear in Brazil needing a vax, would you step aside a suspect most people that are relatively healthy would do just that even Brexit supporters like myself.
Sadly I dont no how it would be administered in the real world.

No, indeed. The real politic would get in the way; Russia acting like Russia, China like China. Still, I hope for a better world where borders are not where morality stops.

 

[edge]

I accept your point but “nothing to be ashamed of” is a long way from doing the right thing. My point in this thread over the past day or so is to draw out the pointlessness of finger pointing and blame and turning the vaccine issue as another stick with which to try and fail to beat the EU. Pointless and petty.

Think it's just the nature of these threads we pick a side and go for it on here,
I suspect if we all sat around a table having a pint it would be a less partisan debate.
If you took notice of some of the bollocks on here you would go mad.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Think it's just the nature of these threads we pick a side and go for it on here,
I suspect if we all sat around a table having a pint it would be a less partisan debate.
If you took notice of some of the bollocks on here you would go mad.

Well I draw the line at anyone taking notice of my bollocks!

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

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Dave would deffo have a solution for tory neo-liberal monsters and non-comrades!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Now that is a very fair point. What would be the cut off ?....

I've no idea to be honest Pete. As I said in the other thread, in Czech they're suggesting right now that the most vulnerable (80+ and healthcare workers) aren't likely to be vaccinated before the end of March, by which time you'd imagine we'll be a bit of the way down that list of vulnerabilities. As @Alan Whittle has said here today, this virus doesn't respect boundaries or nationalities, and we'll only get through this once all of humanity is protected from it. It's no good if the UK is all vaccinated and we've still got lots of folk across mainland Europe suffering from it. That's not a scenario in which things will get back to normal, and the bad blood from it would be monumental.

I wish I had the moral fibre to agree with you.

I too would let my parents go before me, (they have, but thats irrelevant), but hand on heart, my priority is to get this country back to some sort of normality.

If that makes me a bad person, then soz, but thats cos I am a feeble human being, with all the flaws that entails.

And lets face it, there are not that many folk across the planet that would give up a vax in favour of a Granny in Brazil.

Given your circumstances I wouldn't begrudge you anything mate. As I said above to Pete, I don't reckon we'll be back to normal until Europe at the least has got this under control. We're so intertwined that we can't expect to be "non-plague island" while everyone else goes to pot. Couple that with the bad blood. You know? Some of my older in-laws are still bitter over Munich (understandably imo). I don't want us to be "Britain First".

 

[Alan Whittle]

I've no idea to be honest Pete. As I said in the other thread, in Czech they're suggesting right now that the most vulnerable (80+ and healthcare workers) aren't likely to be vaccinated before the end of March, by which time you'd imagine we'll be a bit of the way down that list of vulnerabilities. As @Alan Whittle has said here today, this virus doesn't respect boundaries or nationalities, and we'll only get through this once all of humanity is protected from it. It's no good if the UK is all vaccinated and we've still got lots of folk across mainland Europe suffering from it. That's not a scenario in which things will get back to normal, and the bad blood from it would be monumental.

Given your circumstances I wouldn't begrudge you anything mate. As I said above to Pete, I don't reckon we'll be back to normal until Europe at the least has got this under control. We're so intertwined that we can't expect to be "non-plague island" while everyone else goes to pot. Couple that with the bad blood. You know? Some of my older in-laws are still bitter over Munich (understandably imo). I don't want us to be "Britain First".

I don’t think it’s so much an issue as being first. Someone was always going to be. It’s just that pointing the finger and jeering at others because of perceived or imagined mendacity, incompetence, hate or whatever is;
(a) Daft for the reasons you gave above, and (b) dangerous in long term international relations.

 

[4737carlin]

Dirty right wing scum

COVID-19: Tory MP Sir Desmond Swayne urged anti-vaxxers to 'persist' with campaign

Sir Desmond Swayne tells Sky News he won't apologise for telling a group to continue their campaign against COVID restrictions.

news.sky.com

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Dave would deffo have a solution for tory neo-liberal monsters and non-comrades!

And landscape gardeners. Almost forgot about them!

 

[LinekersLegs]